New Testment and the printing press

Jesus promised to return soon, so nothing was written down until the authors of the present New Testament realized they should leave a written account of events that took place for posterity. the books were written sometime between 70 Ad and 100 AD. but because they were scribbled by scribes by hand which entailed two at a time with each word spoken, double checked and written one at a time going from one copy to the new, they were 100% accurate as seen from our contemporary translation compared to the original hebrew and greek languages used by the authors when compared to the dead sea scrolls which were carbon dated and found to be copies of the original texts. Thank God for perfection.
because books were so expensive, only the rich could afford them, they read verses from the old and new testaments in church and the priest discussed them. this is how oral tradition began. it wasn't until the 1500's that the printing press was invented and books made available to the general public. until then the most widely used tradition was oral. most people were illiterate and relied on others word. now that man is better educated we no longer say our mass in Latin but the vernacular or language of the area one lives. latin is a dead language and so the meanings of words never changed. words in languages now spoken sometimes change meanings of synonyms may be added. this was the reason for using latin as that way the mass was the same since the last supper when Jesus instituted it. the only thing that changes in the mass is the liturgy, which may be the blessing at the beginning of mass, the readings(old and new testament), homily, petitions, and final blessing, as well as the hymns.

Cherokee and the printing press....
Once the cherokee got the printing press we were able to adapt it to our written language and thus keep both our language and religion alive and well dispite the pressure from the government and the churches to abandon our traditional ways...
Just a couple of years after the introduction of the cherokee alphabet 90% of the cherokee could read and write... far better than the national average for their white neighbors to whom reading and writeing were for the rich/middle class only.

wa:-do

good for u and the cherokees. i have a lakota ancestor

just pointing out that the printing press has been important for all faiths/cultures... for mostly the same reasons...

wa:-do

jonjohnrob11 said:

..., they were 100% accurate as seen from our contemporary translation compared to the original hebrew and greek languages used by the authors when compared to the dead sea scrolls which were carbon dated and found to be copies of the original texts.

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Good morning, jonjohnrob11.

Given that we've never seen the original texts, and given that the DSS included at least three variants of some Scripture, and given that C14 dating dates the manuscripts to no earlier than the 4th century BCE, how can you possibly say: "the dead sea scrolls ... were carbon dated and found to be copies of the original texts"? Thanks.

jonjohnrob11 said:

..., they were 100% accurate as seen from our contemporary translation compared to the original hebrew and greek languages used by the authors when compared to the dead sea scrolls which were carbon dated and found to be copies of the original texts.

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Good morning, jonjohnrob11.

Given that we've never seen the original texts, and given that the DSS included at least three variants of some Scripture, and given that C14 dating dates the manuscripts to no earlier than the 4th century BCE, how can you possibly say: "the dead sea scrolls ... were carbon dated and found to be copies of the original texts"? Thanks.

deut, depends on where and from whom u get or got ure information.

jonjohnrob11 said:

deut, depends on where and from whom u get or got ure information.

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No, jonjohnrob11, it does not. But, since you asked:

• Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible
  
• Bible as Book: The Hebrew Bible and Judaean Desert Discoveries
  
• Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls: The History of Judaism, the Background of Christianity, the Lost Library of Qumran
  
• Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls: Their Significance for Understanding the Bible, Judaism, Jesus, and Christianity
  

You claimed: "the dead sea scrolls ... were carbon dated and found to be copies of the original texts"

The statement is silly on the face of it.

jonjohnrob11 said:

Jesus promised to return soon, so nothing was written down until the authors of the present New Testament realized they should

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Peace JonJohnrob;

Where did you get your information?

YOU: Jesus promised to return soon.

ME: Jesus never promised to return soon. This is what the bible says.

Mr 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mt 25:13
Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

YOU: so nothing was written down until the authors of the present New Testament realized they should leave a written account of events that took place for posterity. the books were written sometime between 70 Ad and 100 AD

ME: It's true that the New Testament was written 30 to 70 years after Jesus died however half of Paul?s letters were written before the Gospels and remember that Paul knew nothing about Jesus. He only met him in a vision on the road to Damascus.

Mark was the first Gospel written around 44 AD and he wasn't a disciple. He could have only written from 2nd or 3rd hand information. Matthews and Luke plagiarized their Gospels from Mark. That is why they read the same in many areas. Luke wasn?t a disciple so the same applies to him as to Mark. It is thought by religious scholars that Matthews and John were written by someone else and named after these two disciples to give them credibility. If John was the actual author of the Book named after him he would have written it after Revelations was composed on the Isle of Patmos, 70 years after Jesus' death.

YOU: they were 100% accurate as seen from our contemporary translation compared to the original hebrew and greek languages used by the authors when compared to the dead sea scrolls which were carbon dated and found to be copies of the original texts.

ME: The New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew. Jesus and his disciples spoke Aramaic and not Greek or the Hebrew dialect of that time, this is why the authorship is in question. The Dead Sea scrolls may have been original texts of what they were however; none of them were originals of any book placed in the New Testament. The earliest known fragment of a New Testament papyrus manuscript was recovered form the ruins of a Greek town in ancient Egypt. The fragment dates from about A.D. 115 or 125 and contains a portion of John 18:31-33, 37-38. It is commonly called the Ryland Fragment.

YOU: because books were so expensive, only the rich could afford them, they read verses from the old and new testaments in church and the priest discussed them

ME: It was the desire of Pope Gregory IX as well as the preceding Popes to keep the bible (by force) out of the hands of lay-people. It was John Wycliffe (1328-1384) a reformer who wanted to make the Christian Scriptures accessible to common people so he made it his mission to make the bible available to all people.
In 1384 John Wycliffe translated the Vulgate (Latin translation composed by Jerome) into English. The Catholic church denounced Wycliffe as heretical for doing this as it was a forbidden act to translate the bible into English at that time.

Movable type was invented by Johannes Gutenberg and by 1456 he and his fellow printers had created nearly two hundred copies of Jerome's Latin Bible. The first copy of the Gutenberg bible took three years of constant printing to complete. It was finished in 1455. It was done in two volumes, with 1,284 pages total. While Gutenberg's Bible was the first printed Bible, it was done in Latin, so was limited to scholarly audience. But in 1522 the church in Spain produced the first Bible with the Old Testament in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. The Great Bible (1539) was the first widely popular English translation of the Scriptures to be owned and read by the common people, produced by Miles Coverdale and John Rogers.

deut, i read a different account(book) than any u described. sorry but cant remember the title. that was a few years back and i had just borrowed the book. but if i run across it again, i will let u know.
butch

harold, if u had a history class in school then u know there are other books beside the bible that are used for references. there were many books written about God and other historical figures that aren't mentioned in the Bible because most were written afterwards. a broader spectrum can be seen when consulting books that aren't in the bible. more books about God and his people are written every year since Christs death. u can find them in catholic and other bookstores.
butch

jonjonhrob, u must be catholic because many public libraries also have history books and biographies of the early church fathers and later ones. what do u think of the pope. i think he is the holiest person on earth and that's why he was chosen to lead the church. my prayer is that all God's people unite. i like your prediction i one of your posts that the churches will be unified by the year 2021. that's an excellent thought.

i hope it comes true.