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CNN calling IA caucuses for Huckabee and Obama

Mister_T

Mister_T

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tomspug said:
Do you even know what Huckabee's policies and beliefs are? If you knew them, then you'd know his character.
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No, I just form baseless opinions off of people without any research. ;)

Since you seem to be under the impression that I have false/baseless impression of Huckabee, how about you tell me where you think I'm wrong as oppose to beating around the bush?
 
BUDDY

BUDDY

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tomspug said:
Regardless of whether or not Clinton or Obama wins, one will choose the other as VP. Maybe there's another possibility that I'm missing, but I can't imagine anyone would want Edwards as a VP. Clinton still has a huge national lead over Obama to hold onto.
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Actually, it is going to happen a little differently. I see Edwards will throw his endorsement (when it becomes painfully obvious that he can't win) to Obama because he can't stand the Clinton. That puts Obama way over the top and he will feel obligated to make Edwards his VP on the ticket. It makes sense too. Edwards gives him a good chance at doing very well with southern democrats. Clinton doesn't do that for him now that she is the Junior Sentator from New York. I see Obama/Edwards 2008 as a very strong ticket.
 
BUDDY

BUDDY

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tomspug said:
Does anyone on this topic even know anything about Huckabee? What exactly do you think his policies are going to be? Abolish evolution? Invade other countries for no reason? Exactly WHAT parts of Huckabee's campaign frightened 'liberals' in any way, besides the abolition of the IRS? (I mean, REAL parts of Huckabee's campaign, not stuff that's made up)

The only candidate that has more independent support than Huckabee is Rudy right now.
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Actually I do. I was somewhat interested in him at first. I stopped when I saw his record though. Particularly his record on taxes (rasied them by over 500 million in Arky) and illegal immigration (college scholarship elligibility for illegal aliens). He is not a conservative. He is for big government and higher taxes. That was enough for me to look at someone else. As far as the social things go, there really isn't much that a president can do about those types of things, since most of it is decided through the judicial and legislative branches of government. The Congress has more power by passing laws and the courts have more power by interpreting constitutionality, then the president does where social matters (i.e. abortion, teaching of evolution, gay rights, etc.) is concerned.

Basically, all these people who are pulling there hair out by worrying about Huckabee locking up homosexuals, abolishing the teaching of sex ed and evolution and banning pornography, are nothing but fear mongers who are not looking at reality.
 
Reverend Rick

Reverend Rick

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Hillarious in third! Gotta love it! Anyone but Hillary! Has it dawned on anyone that two families have controlled the Presidency for almost 20 years now?

Watching the Liberals cringe is very enjoyable to me. It is because they rule the internet and they delude themselves into believing that the whole country thinks like they do. Iowa might not be representative of the whole country, but neither is the internet.

Two important things happened last night.

1. A state that consists of almost exclusively white folks overwhelmingly chose a black man as their choice for President. That is a step in the right direction for a change.

2. An evangelical was outspent 20 to 1 and against all odds prevailed.

I'm not ready to get behind Huckelberry just yet, but it just goes to show you the political power and control the religious right has.

Six months ago, I would have never thought another Republican had a chance of being elected President this time around. The Huckster just might rally enough support to pull it off.

If we had a Huckabee/ Obama election, I could sleep at night no matter what the outcome.
 
BUDDY

BUDDY

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Reverend Rick said:
Hillarious in third! Gotta love it! Anyone but Hillary! Has it dawned on anyone that two families have controlled the Presidency for almost 20 years now?

Watching the Liberals cringe is very enjoyable to me. It is because they rule the internet and they delude themselves into believing that the whole country thinks like they do. Iowa might not be representative of the whole country, but neither is the internet.

Two important things happened last night.

1. A state that consists of almost exclusively white folks overwhelmingly chose a black man as their choice for President. That is a step in the right direction for a change.

2. An evangelical was outspent 20 to 1 and against all odds prevailed.

I'm not ready to get behind Huckelberry just yet, but it just goes to show you the political power and control the religious right has.

Six months ago, I would have never thought another Republican had a chance of being elected President this time around. The Huckster just might rally enough support to pull it off.

If we had a Huckabee/ Obama election, I could sleep at night no matter what the outcome.
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The amount of power and control that the evangelical religious right has is what actually scares me right now. I hope the Huckster starts to fade away soon because he scares me with some if his fiscal liberalism.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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Reverend Rick said:
I'm not ready to get behind Huckelberry just yet, but it just goes to show you the political power and control the religious right has.
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Yes, that is unfortunate. The one good thing that the Bush administration has done is show Americans how important their vote is. The Christian right can galvanize a group of people around a few issues and elect a person who will completely destroy the country in every way while throwing a bone (abortion, stem cell research, and maybe something with school) to Christians. If regular people would actually get up and vote (that is, care about their rights and their country), the Christian right would be as completely insignificant as it should be.
 
Reverend Rick

Reverend Rick

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angellous_evangellous said:
Yes, that is unfortunate. The one good thing that the Bush administration has done is show Americans how important their vote is. The Christian right can galvanize a group of people around a few issues and elect a person who will completely destroy the country in every way while throwing a bone (abortion, stem cell research, and maybe something with school) to Christians. If regular people would actually get up and vote (that is, care about their rights and their country), the Christian right would be as completely insignificant as it should be.
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AHHH, Here lies the problem. Most people don't read newspapers, watch the news or otherwise stay informed. People with a mild interest in politics may not take the time to vote. This is probably a good thing.
 
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jonny

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tomspug said:
Does anyone on this topic even know anything about Huckabee? What exactly do you think his policies are going to be? Abolish evolution? Invade other countries for no reason? Exactly WHAT parts of Huckabee's campaign frightened 'liberals' in any way, besides the abolition of the IRS? (I mean, REAL parts of Huckabee's campaign, not stuff that's made up)

The only candidate that has more independent support than Huckabee is Rudy right now.
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He's campaigning on soft bigotry. That's enough to know that I don't want him to be president.
 
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jonny

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tomspug said:
Which brings me back to my original point: Do you even know what Huckabee's policies and beliefs are? If you knew them, then you'd know his character. I may not vote for Obama, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to assume that I disagree with him on everything.
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He believes I belong to a cult. That says all I need to know about his character.
 
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jonny

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Reverend Rick said:
I'm not ready to get behind Huckelberry just yet, but it just goes to show you the political power and control the religious right has.
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Correction: The power the religious right has in Iowa. They do not have this power in every state.
 
Smoke

Smoke

Done here.
BUDDY said:
Actually, it is going to happen a little differently. I see Edwards will throw his endorsement (when it becomes painfully obvious that he can't win) to Obama because he can't stand the Clinton. That puts Obama way over the top and he will feel obligated to make Edwards his VP on the ticket. It makes sense too. Edwards gives him a good chance at doing very well with southern democrats. Clinton doesn't do that for him now that she is the Junior Sentator from New York. I see Obama/Edwards 2008 as a very strong ticket.
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You might be right.

We had the misfortune to be seated near a group of young Republicans at lunch yesterday, none of whom could decide what they wanted to eat or whom they wanted to vote for. In general, they liked Mitt Romney and Ron Paul, but there was some positive buzz about Edwards. (I wasn't eavesdropping; they were just loud.) Maybe Edwards has more appeal than I can see.
 
tomspug

tomspug

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BUDDY said:
Actually I do. I was somewhat interested in him at first. I stopped when I saw his record though. Particularly his record on taxes (rasied them by over 500 million in Arky) and illegal immigration (college scholarship elligibility for illegal aliens). He is not a conservative. He is for big government and higher taxes.
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I concede the tax point, although I don't really know the whole story. He does support the whole fair tax thing.

As far as the illegal immigrant thing, barely anyone actually knows the true story. It's been spun the way you think it is by his opponents. Huckabee's education policy was that students (regardless of their parentage) should have equal opportunities for college when they have run a complete public education. In other words, say your parents were illegal immigrants, but you were born in the US and have spent 12 years in the public school system. What? You can't go to college like your friends even though you're actually NOT an illegal immigrant? That's the real story.
 
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