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Why Are Christians Slaughtered Around The World

9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Hope said:
You'd be surprised.
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I can't see people killing other people for bringing them food. I can see them killing them for bringing food to their enemies (even if they bring the killers food as well), or for doing other things while bringing them food, but just for feeding them, it'd be rather unlikely.
 
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roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
Darkness said:
What are we supposed to do if we do not believe in the Holy Spirit?
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The day will come and it may not be today, or tommorrow ,but it will come and when it does, we will stand and answer the question ,why did you not beleive?
Not belief in the Holy Ghost ,but in Christ alone for the reconciliation of man to God
I can't answer any different then what scripture already says about refusing to believe and receive Jesus Christ
That wil be a day, regardless of whether one comprehend's and /or believes or not ,when God's vengence and justice for lawlessness is appeased.
The whole premise of the gospel, is found in John 15, unless we abide in Christ ,we can do nothing, we are like grass here today and thrown into the flames tommorrow, like a vapor, here a moment than gone, in light of eternity which none of us can comprehend and many choose not to even entertain the thought of eternity, this life is brief.
Of course many people believe they are functioning in life without any need of God and it appears by that, the very essence of this scripture in John 15 is negated by their ability to live their lives outside Christ , but the day will come where God say's he will have his day with those who despised and rejected the cross of Christ and his goodness and forebearance in granting man the opportunity to repent and receive the Holy Spirit



Why do Christians attack anything associated with gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people
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To tell a person they are going to hell because they are gay is basically making their sin exclusive to your own and your setting yourself up into a place of appearing self righteous and judgmental.
Men need to understand the Holiness and therefore justice of God, because I think we all know we have sinned, lied,stolen, hated, taken God's name in vain, adultry, fornicated, coveted,
Many who you claim Christian, are'nt Christian or they are just extremely ignorant of how to witness the love, mercy and forgiveness of God.
Jesus never attacked the sinners, just exposed the sin and commanded them to repent and believe, men condemn themselves when they fail to make restitution with God for their sin by trusting in the only sacrifice acceptable to God, the shed blood of Christ that atones for sin alone
I would question the validity of their christianity those who attack people for their specific sin.
What you and many fail to consider and ultimately accept and what I have mentioned numerous times is that not everyone who claims Christian status are indeed Christian.
Very simple ,Jesus actually says ,"not everyone who says ,LORD LORD will enter the kingdom"

The people who claimed to be Christian and killed jews where not Christian, even thought they claimed to be associated to some particular christian denomination.
People who walk after the carnal nature and indulge in sin,and every sort of wickedness and do not love their Christian brothers and sisters, is not born of God.
The bible says that if Christians walk in darkness we become liars of knowing God and the truth is not in us
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yossarian22

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
BUDDY said:
Sometimes indifference is worse than hatred.
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Often it is.
I am not indifferent to their plight, I just view it on a different priority. Perhaps my view is rational, perhaps its not. To me, it seems rational, though it may not to other people.
I will change my opinion if there is enough damage to justify involvement. Otherwise, I will care about groups being killed in a much higher frequency.
I noted the sarcasm though.
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It wasn't meant for you, apologies if it was inferred that you lack general cognitive functions. Several times my sarcasm is interpreted literally meaning either the people reading are stupid, they do not know enough about me to not consider me a nutjob, or they do know enough about me but are too stupid to realize that I am not a radical nutjob.
 
Darkness

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
roli said:
The day will come and it may not be today, or tommorrow ,but it will come and when it does, we will stand and answer the question ,why did you not beleive?
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Because there is not enough evidence for me to believe in God, let alone Jesus Christ. In the end, you cannot believe something just because you want to. I would like to believe I have the superpower of electromagnetism, but I do not believe it because I know that is silly. If God cannot understand that then He is not a loving God anyway and we are all screwed.

Only Non-Theists Go to Heaven
 
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roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
Quoth The Raven said:
roli said:
And if the answer is valid, does it prompt a get out of hell free card, or is it just one of those questions thugs ask to prolong the agony a little bit before they shoot someone anyway?
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Mockery will get you no further than where you already sit!!!!!
I guess we'll all know someday, it's your choice to disbelieve and or ridicule the possibility of your standing before God it saddens me people slap a gift horse in the face, but that's me, i can't force people. Read the bible, it's very clear on the subject.
God's Holiness, no man can grasp and it's his very nature of Holiness that demands justice and punishment for sin.
I mean I'm talking about a justice beyond what any man has ever known or comprehended.
But by his mercy he provided redemption for man,a way for man not to have to take the punishment themselves, but go figure ,people choose not to listen and believe and receive the free gift God offers ,one that exonerates them and then they have the audacity to complain about such a place where justice will be served,sin will be satisfied, sinners will be punished and removed,
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roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
Darkness said:
Because there is not enough evidence for me to believe in God, let alone Jesus Christ. In the end, you cannot believe something just because you want to. I would like to believe I have the superpower of electromagnetism, but I do not believe it because I know that is silly. If God cannot understand that then He is not a loving God anyway and we are all screwed.

Only Non-Theists Go to Heaven
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That's the irony of it all , one of the main sources of evidence is right under our nose.I am not responsible to prove that to you, you won't see it unless your looking for it, but it's there for a child to discover ,but man and their intellectual,relativistic mindsets and ability to philosophize everything is to their own defeat.
Man thinks in their superior wisdom they can explain everything or will die trying and will not accept what they can't explain, more specifically God ,but that is such hypocrisy, as so many things we operate in and function daily by are based on that which we have no definitive emperical answers for ,but more or less simple faith and assumption.
We live by faith in driving,eating , walking ,breathing, trusting in banks, God requires we have faith in him or at least be open to the possibility of God, enough to read his word and allow him to reveal himself.
But like anything, mankind are stubborn,proud and arrogant supposing they are self reliant and sifficient until they are backed up against a wall and it's at that time that many and I mean many call out to a God in they openly refused to even consider prior


I don't really want to get into t a debate about this whole thing again
 
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roli

Born Again,Spirit Filled
penguino said:
WHat happend to the million who were killed in the Goa Inqusition? What happend to us when the Brits came over? What about the Amritsar Massacre? NOO. When a christian gets a splinter its in the bloody news.

These Hindus have repeatedly, throught history, have had their nation attacked and drained, if that were you, you would be MAD. I am not justifying this, but we dont understand them. If Hindus put up Diwali decorations during Christmas time, there would be blood.

You need to stop being paranoid.
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The question is, why are Christians killed.
Catholics, who are so called christian by title claim to kill for God, but are indeed enimies of God when they do such atrocities in his name.

I'm not talking about people groups killing each other ie: british indian army killing their own people.

I'm asking why are true Christians killed when they go into countries to primarily bringing aid,education,supplies, medical care etc. Yes they do witness the gospel of Jesus ,but it's not by force and it's after they display love and aid and yet are considered a threat and are killed.

I believe they are a threat to the people as Jesus was to those who dispised his message, he said " they hated me ,they will hate you" why did they hate Jesus if he did what so many Christians being killed are doing. Healing,,feeding etc
Was Jesus manipulating, controlling and forceful, or was it the threat of his message that infuriated the religious people.

The message of the gospel is the threat, not the means in which it is proclaimed.

People just don't want their sins exposed and will do whatever it takes to silence the message, that is the cause of the persecution around the globe.

I mean if those who are strong proponents of anti christian doctrine around the globe ,including the west could have it their way ,I believe all Christians would be excommunicated, why ,it's not the messenger, it's the message ,always has been.

Although their are those who use force to proclaim their agenda and message and to them I confess, they should be stopped
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
roli said:
I'm asking why are true Christians killed when they go into countries to primarily bringing aid,education,supplies, medical care etc. Yes they do witness the gospel of Jesus ,but it's not by force and it's after they display love and aid and yet are considered a threat and are killed.
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Interesting you should say this, because you admit your interpretation of the Gospel to be a threat of some sort.......

Roli said:
I believe they are a threat to the people as Jesus was to those who dispised his message, he said " they hated me ,they will hate you" why did they hate Jesus if he did what so many Christians being killed are doing. Healing,,feeding etc
Was Jesus manipulating, controlling and forceful, or was it the threat of his message that infuriated the religious people.

The message of the gospel is the threat, not the means in which it is proclaimed.

People just don't want their sins exposed and will do whatever it takes to silence the message, that is the cause of the persecution around the globe.
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I'm finding this rather disturbing, Roli. It's perfectly fine to bring a "threatening" message to others after soothing the aching muscles of poverty or famine? This is the classic "bait-and-switch" tactic that I disagree with. And remember, not all Christians interpret the Gospel the way you do.

Roli said:
I mean if those who are strong proponents of anti christian doctrine around the globe ,including the west could have it their way ,I believe all Christians would be excommunicated, why ,it's not the messenger, it's the message ,always has been.

Although their are those who use force to proclaim their agenda and message and to them I confess, they should be stopped
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Oh really? It's better to mentally torture and theaten others after you've fed them and healed their wounds? How noble. :areyoucra




Peace,
Mystic
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
roli said:
The question is, why are Christians killed.
Catholics, who are so called christian by title claim to kill for God, but are indeed enimies of God when they do such atrocities in his name.
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There are plenty of non-Catholics who purport to be Christian who have claimed to "kill for God".

roli said:
I'm not talking about people groups killing each other ie: british indian army killing their own people.

I'm asking why are true Christians killed when they go into countries to primarily bringing aid,education,supplies, medical care etc. Yes they do witness the gospel of Jesus ,but it's not by force and it's after they display love and aid and yet are considered a threat and are killed.
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I know of very few cases that would fall within what you're describing. How large do you think this problem is? How many Christians do you think die like this per year, say?
 
Darkness

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
Roli said:
I mean I'm talking about a justice beyond what any man has ever known or comprehended.
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When you call God Holy, how do you know he is Holy? What standard do you judge God against?
 
yossarian22

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
Hope said:
I posted this in another thread, but here is a great article that describes Christian persecution around the world and the silence in the mainstream media:

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=19161820&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=623508&rfi=6
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It seems clear, however incredible, that we have learned little from the Holocaust and do not understand the escalating catastrophes that are let loose by unopposed religious persecution. "Never again" now seems only to mean "never again until the next time."


That turned me off immediately. It seems he is comparing the persecution of Christians to the Holocaust.
 
Don Penguinoini

Don Penguinoini

Modi.
Well roli, all i am doing is simply is making a comparison. Its not like Catholics do not worship Christ, modern christianity IS responsible for that, hence the biterness against Christians today,
 
Smoke

Smoke

Done here.
“When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.” (Desmond Tutu)
 
Hope

Hope

Princesinha
yossarian22 said:
It seems clear, however incredible, that we have learned little from the Holocaust and do not understand the escalating catastrophes that are let loose by unopposed religious persecution. "Never again" now seems only to mean "never again until the next time."


That turned me off immediately. It seems he is comparing the persecution of Christians to the Holocaust.
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He is. But not the way you think he is, apparently. You missed the whole point.

Is the persecution of Christians on the same scale and as horrific as the Holocaust? No. Or, at least not yet. And that is the point. That is the comparison. The Holocaust would never have occurred, or at least increased to the devastation that it did, had the rest of world paid closer attention and actually done something to prevent it. When good men stand by and do nothing, evil flourishes. The majority of the world is now standing by and doing nothing in regards to the widespread persecution of Christians. That's a good recipe for allowing something like the Holocaust to happen again.
 
yossarian22

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
Hope said:
He is. But not the way you think he is, apparently. You missed the whole point.
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What point?
Show a reasonable parallel.
This seems nothing more than a hyperbole.
Is the persecution of Christians on the same scale and as horrific as the Holocaust? No. Or, at least not yet.
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:rolleyes:
A holocaust implies a systematic destruction. What is happening to Christians is a far cry from a holocaust.
When a country begins designing infrastructure for the sole purpose of efficiently killing as many Christians as possible, then you can call it a holocaust.
 
BUDDY

BUDDY

User of Aspercreme
MidnightBlue said:
“When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.” (Desmond Tutu)
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That is an odd perspective for an Anglican Archbishop.
 
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