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Did Islam really spread by The Sword ?

Dear friends:

I always hear comments about Islam being spread by the sword, this is big fallacy, it is well known fact that Muslim armies never reached INDONESIA and yet Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world, so how do you explain that ????

How did Islam spread?
By Professor Shahul Hameed

It is a striking fact of history that within three centuries, after Prophet Muhammad started preaching Islam in Mecca, Islam spread over the area of three continents; Asia, Africa and Europe. There are many reasons why people have been, from past to the present embracing Islam. Muhammad Asad, a Jewish convert to Islam, says:
“Islam appears to me like a perfect work of architecture. All its parts are harmoniously conceived to complement and support each other, nothing lacking, with the result of an absolute balance and solid composure. Everything in the teaching and postulates of Islam is in its proper place.” (Islam at the Crossroads, p.5)

In the race for the propagation of religion, Islam has always won over Christianity, in spite of the latter’s sophisticated and well-organized missionary activities. This has been the case in the course of fourteen centuries. As a result, most of the Christian missionaries started depicting Islam as a regressive, vulgar religion of savage people which was spread by the sword.

Yet, an unbiased Western Christian writer has written:

“…We may feel certain that if Western Christians, instead of the Saracens and the Turks, had won the dominion over Asia, there would be today not a trace left of the Greek Church, and that they would never have tolerated Muhammadanism as the 'infidels' have tolerated Christianity there. We (Christians) enjoy the fine advantage of being far better versed than others in the art of killing, bombarding and exterminating the Human Race." (Bayle P., Dictionary, 'the article Mahomed', 1850)

Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the simplicity of its doctrine. Islam calls for believing in only One God, worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation. Within a few years after the dawn of Islam, great civilizations and universities were flourishing under its influence, for according to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), “seeking knowledge is an obligation for every Muslim man and woman”.

The zeal for understanding God’s creative power, as realized in the universe, led the followers of this religion to new ideas, new realms of knowledge and great advances in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, geography, architecture, art, literature, and history.

We find that the spread of Islam was not limited to its miraculous early expansion outside of Arabia. During later centuries, the Turks embraced Islam peacefully, as did a large number of the people of the Indian subcontinent, as well as the people of Malaysia and Indonesia.

In Africa too, Islam spread during the past two centuries, while under the mighty power of European colonial rulers. Today Islam continues to grow, not only in Africa, but also in Europe and the Americas as well. Islam is the fastest growing religion now, with a following of about one and a half billion people.

Mr. Lamaan Ball, editor of Ask About Islam, adds:

Although in the early years of the expansion of the Islamic state much land came under the rule of the Muslims, conversion to Islam of its inhabitants took several generations. This is because conversion by force is explicitly forbidden in the Qur'an:

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things. (Surah 2 Verse 256)

In more recent times such as in the case of Indonesia, conversions to Islam happened in the absence of an Islamic state and where the rulers were Dutch Christians. Commentators and historians have to acknowledge the fact of Islam's peaceful spead even if they dislike it. A classic example of such a grudging acknowledgment is in the book "The Legacy of Islam" edited by Joseph Schacht with C.E. Bosworth (1974) p145:

"... the general picture of the spread of Islam so far as we know it. This is often said to resemble an oil stain: gradual yet effective. Many, too, have praised its peaceful nature. Again so far as we know, the acceptance of Islamic doctrine has been a gradual process, partly thanks to the practice of conversion prior to indoctrination"

The false allegations that Islam was spread by the sword is just part of unfounded propaganda. To which the best reply is perhaps the Qur'an itself. In particular this verse comes to mind:

Their intention is to extinguish God's Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But God will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). (Surah 61 Verse 8 )

Mahatma Gandhi wrote in Young India – 1920:

‘I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place in Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble.’
 

(Q)

Active Member
Shield

Can you comment on these statistics?

Genocide committed in the name of Allah: 3,000,000 Bangladeshi Hindus Killed during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. From 1894 to 1896 Abdul Hamid, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, killed 150,000 Armenian Christians. In India, Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur along with his disciples was burned to death by the Moghul ruler Aurangzeb in 1675. Another Sikh, Bhai Mati Das was sawn into right and left halves while he was still alive. In July 1974, 4,000 Christians living in Cyprus were killed by Fahri Koroturk, president of Turkey and his Islamic army. From 1843 to 1846 10,000 Assyrian Christians including women and children were massacred by the Muslims. From 1915 to 1918 750,000 Assyrians were killed in the name of Islamic Jihad. In 1933 thousands of Assyrian villagers were murdered by the Iraqi soldiers in Northern Iraq. Since 1990 more than 10,000 Kashmiri Hindus have been brutally murdered by Islamic fundamentalists. Over 280,000 Ugandans killed during the reign of Idi Amin from 1971 to 1979. Over 30,000 Mauritanians have been killed by the Islamic dictators since 1960. In 1980, 20,000 Syrians were murdered under the rule of Hafez Al-Assad, President of Syria. Since 1992 120,000 Algerians have been murdered by the Islamic fundamentalist army.
 
First, you did not provide any evidence for what you wrote.

Second, some countries you mentioned like Algeria and Syria involved in killing MUSLIMS so your argument does not hold here.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
A lot of religions ought to learn from Surah 2:256: "Let there be no compulsion in religion".

The Moghal invasion of India, for example, cannot be blamed on the religion. It was purely political, as many, if not all, of the examples quoted by (Q).

Several posts under different topics in this forum give examples of Moslems, Christians and Jews living peacefully together under Islamic rule. Especially, the initial rapid expansion of Islam was, according to every and all scholars, entirely peacefully. Religion can be misused, but that is no exclusive speciality of Islam. Think of the horrible crusades, and of certain actions in our time, when Islamic countries have been attacked contrary to international laws.

In order not to be misunderstood, I want to point out that I am no Moslem, but a registered member of the lutheran Church of Sweden, but I try to be impartial.
 
Thank you andres for your honesty...I also point to the case of Indonesia, Indonesia is now the largest Muslim country in the world, it is well known historical facts that the Muslim armies NEVER reached there, how do we then explain the spread of Islam there ?????
 

SOMITW

New Member
The muslim religion did convert by the sword. However, that is not a key aspect of the flaws in the religion. Mohhammed had a flaw, he could not read or write. He only spoke to people and they copied down what he said. Now, when the men brouht all the different interpretations of his words to the highers, they were simply combined to make a good sounding book. The muslims also made a change in their religion, this is about the direction the pray in, now why in the world would a religion change,...God is the same today as He was yesterday.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Historically the Muslim faith has been very open to allowing other religions to exist under thier rule... How well this will continue is up to the people of today... falce faith is worse than no faith...

wa:-do
 
SOMITW said:
The muslim religion did convert by the sword.

This is not true, Can you tell me how Islam spread in Indonesia please ?

However, that is not a key aspect of the flaws in the religion. Mohhammed had a flaw, he could not read or write. He only spoke to people and they copied down what he said.

This is also not true, prophet Muhammad could not read or write but he was inspired by God, he did not speak out of his mind, he was inspired by God.

Now, when the men brouht all the different interpretations of his words to the highers, they were simply combined to make a good sounding book. The muslims also made a change in their religion, this is about the direction the pray in, now why in the world would a religion change,...God is the same today as He was yesterday.

Again, you are very mistaken, the direction of our prayer was Jerusalem because Mecca at that time was still in the hands of the Pagans who killed and tortured so many early muslims, when Mecca was liberated, the direction was restored back to Mecca.
 

SOMITW

New Member
The muslim religion did convert by the sword. However, that is not a key aspect of the flaws in the religion. Mohhammed had a flaw, he could not read or write. He only spoke to people and they copied down what he said. Now, when the men brouht all the different interpretations of his words to the highers, they were simply combined to make a good sounding book. The muslims also made a change in their religion, this is about the direction the pray in, now why in the world would a religion change,...God is the same today as He was yesterday.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Historically the Muslim faith has been very open to allowing other religions to exist under thier rule... How well this will continue is up to the people of today... falce faith is worse than no faith...

wa:-do
 
SOMITW said:
The muslim religion did convert by the sword.

This is not true, Can you tell me how Islam spread in Indonesia please ?

However, that is not a key aspect of the flaws in the religion. Mohhammed had a flaw, he could not read or write. He only spoke to people and they copied down what he said.

This is also not true, prophet Muhammad could not read or write but he was inspired by God, he did not speak out of his mind, he was inspired by God.

Now, when the men brouht all the different interpretations of his words to the highers, they were simply combined to make a good sounding book. The muslims also made a change in their religion, this is about the direction the pray in, now why in the world would a religion change,...God is the same today as He was yesterday.

Again, you are very mistaken, the direction of our prayer was Jerusalem because Mecca at that time was still in the hands of the Pagans who killed and tortured so many early muslims, when Mecca was liberated, the direction was restored back to Mecca.
 
Is Indonesia the only example of Islam not spreading by the sword? If so, it is only one out of dozens. I would also raise the point that Buddhism and Hinduism did not spread by the sword either so it is not to say that the only way any non-Christian relgion can gain followers is by the sword. I would also note that fact that Christian missionaries in some of the Islamic countries are not allowed to operate except under secrecy. I understand that this is not a debate forum, so I will refrain from further comment until it enters the debate forum.
 
LCMS Sprecher said:
Is Indonesia the only example of Islam not spreading by the sword? If so, it is only one out of dozens.

Indonesia is the largest muslim nation in the world ( 200 million muslim ) and it is not the only example of how Islam spread peacefuly, you have Malaysia, you have western china, you have Spain, and southern Italy.

I would also raise the point that Buddhism and Hinduism did not spread by the sword either so it is not to say that the only way any non-Christian relgion can gain followers is by the sword.

I dont know about the history of Buddhism or Hinduism, so I cant comment on this.

I would also note that fact that Christian missionaries in some of the Islamic countries are not allowed to operate except under secrecy.

If christian missionaries are not allowd in some muslim countries, muslims themselves are not allowed to practice their faith freely in MANY western christian nations.

I understand that this is not a debate forum, so I will refrain from further comment until it enters the debate forum.

Check your private message for personal suggestion.
 

anders

Well-Known Member
It is fully established that Islam did not spread to Indonesia by the sword. So let's now look at the countries ranking 2-4 in number of Muslims.

Even if we admit that the political sword made way for Islam into present Pakistan and India, there remains to be explained how it stayed there after the fall of the Mughal empire.

Islam came entirely peacefully to Bangla Desh, number 3 on the list, with more than 100 million Muslims.

I am not very surprised by the fact that some missionaries in some countries have to operate secretly. In Sweden, it was only in 1860 that it became possible to leave the church of Sweden, BUT then only if you entered another state recognised religious community. Finally, in 1951! full religious freedom including freedom from religion was allowed.
 
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