Why Do Some Doubt The Deity of Christ?

iris89 · Feb 17, 2005

Hi Everyone

Anyone who fails to recognize that the Creator, Almighty God (YHWH) is the supreme diety needs to open their Bible and start learning. I will not act as a grade school teacher for those ignorant of this fact, get it!

If anyone truly does not know elementary things like this, here is where you can go for assistance:

STANDARDS ARE PROMULGATED NOT PROVEN BUT USED:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=388559&messageid=1108382158&lp=1108382158

and,

Civilization & the Bible

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=388559&messageid=1108382063&lp=1108382063

and,

Details on Bible Canon:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=388559&messageid=1108381517&lp=1108381780

Your Friend in Christ Iris89

Jayhawker Soule · Feb 17, 2005

iris89 said:
Anyone who fails to recognize that the Creator, Almighty God (YHWH) is the supreme diety needs to open their Bible and start learning. I will not act as a grade school teacher for those ignorant of this fact, get it!

Actually no, I do not.

Your unique skill, iris89, has been to secure a view of your contributions that transcend the theist-atheist divide. While Religiousforums.com is somewhat of a heterogenous zoo, being a pompous *** does not make one an expert on donkeys.

Pah · Feb 17, 2005

iris89 said:
Anyone who fails to recognize that the Creator, Almighty God (YHWH) is the supreme diety needs to open their Bible and start learning. I will not act as a grade school teacher for those ignorant of this fact, get it!

If anyone truly does not know elementary things like this, here is where you can go for assistance:

We have been asking HOW you know. A pre-packaged disertation meant for another web site and re-cycled here does not answer that question

michel · Feb 17, 2005

It is an inherent characteristic of the human being to doubt; it is a part of the 'self protecting' facet of our characters. Doubt then brings forth discussion; discussion then brings forth forums..............(And don't forget that whilst this forum is wonderfully 'accepting' in that it allows any Faith to participate, there is still debate in the higher echelons of the 'safety' of any Faith

)

Master Vigil · Feb 17, 2005

"Anyone who fails to recognize that the Creator, Almighty God (YHWH) is the supreme diety needs to open their Bible and start learning. I will not act as a grade school teacher for those ignorant of this fact, get it!"

This is hilarious, especially because the bible is just a story. There is no proof that it is valid. And you of course have yet to give any proof. I would say that anyone who fails to recognize that the Tao is the creator and almighty, and anyone who fails to see that needs to open their tao te ching and start learning. I sure hope you don't act like a teacher, because I wouldn't want you teaching my kids. Even as a substitute.

Performance Park · Feb 17, 2005

painted wolf said:
I asked a question a while back and never recieved an answer for it, so I will patently ask again.
What makes Jesus a Deity? Others have been born of virgins, sired by gods, raised the dead and healed the sick, and come back from the dead. What makes Jesus 'the only son of god' and not those others?
Is it just because the bible said so?
Why should I believe in the Diety of Christ and not the Deity of those others?

Painted Wolf,

What others have been born of virgins, sired by gods, raised the dea, and come back from the dead? I was just wondering as I don't know of any others. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

Dr. Nosophoros · Feb 17, 2005

I doubt the deity of Christ because people are clearly capable of believing in superstition well beyond it's due date. A small example is how many people say "bless you" after someone sneezes in this modern age, why do they do that? Could it be because people in the middle ages thought that when a person sneezes, the soul momentarily left the body and it let demons have access to the person and they felt if they say "bless you" it would protect them from demons possessing their body-or is this just a "courtesy" for no reason practiced by people who have been taught this was normal etiquette with little or no knowledge why they do it in the first place?

Performance Park · Feb 17, 2005

Dr. Nosophoros said:
I doubt the deity of Christ because people are clearly capable of believing in superstition well beyond it's due date.

Wow, I would like a big example then. The small example really made wonder...

To doubt the deity of Christ based on peoples actions?!?! Please clarify...

Dr. Nosophoros · Feb 17, 2005

To doubt the deity of Christ based on peoples actions?!?! Please clarify...

Big example?- try most modern religions and most of society based around it. You must excuse me from making the observation that most of society is generally formed by people who act in accordance to the importance those before them have placed on the sacred cows of their society at a previous time and the importance they themselves continue to give to them, but I see that as a rational way of getting to the bottom of things.

Simply put, just because a book, manuscript, or belief is old (or new) and many people put importance in it does not make it true simply because of that fact that they do.

anders · Feb 17, 2005

iris89 said:
The authorities I give with respect the inspired books of the new testament are all the translators and translation committees of all the major Bible translations who all are in agreement on this. In fact, I know of no recognized Bible scholar who is not; nor of any that thing Gnostic authored books are inspired. You can check any major Bible translation, to wit, KJB, NKJB, ASV, NASV, NIV, New American Bible (Catholic), NWT, Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, AAT, RSV, NRSV, The Good News Bible, NEB, An American Translation, etc.

Most of my articles are written 'Sola Scriptura' style which means they contain over 50% and by the very nature of the work completely backed up always by the Bible.

For examples of mine and my PhD. Theologian husband go to the following and see the extensive referencing and backing also with the scriptures.

Quite a few of us have asked you to provide proof other that what you think the Bible says for your claims that

THE BIBLE IS UNIQUE AMONG STANDARDS:

First, the Bible was written over a period exceeding a millennium and one/half by over 40 different divinely inspired writers.

Second, it is far older than all other standards in use in the western world.

Three, it is the only standard written at the direction of Almighty God (YHWH); therefore is the ultimate standard.

Firstly, there's no way to know who wrote the books of the bible and very little suggestions as to when they were written.Among the few facts we have is that Arab linguistic scholars were the ones who introduced the writing of vowels in the TaNaK. We know some of the names of those linguists, but even before the writing down of the NT, the number of people involved must have been lots more than 40.

Secondly, you make an unfounded assertation. There are, in the so-called western world (Western to whom? Quite a crazy Europeic-centered view. The US is an eastern country from the Asian PoV.) certainly other views. Not only myself, but an increasing number of people in Europe and in the US regard teachings from Asia, much older than the Abrahamic religions, as their moral and/or ethical and/or watever standard.

Thirdly, any religion made-up by demented money-hungry loonies could claim that it is founded on the uniquely inspired teachings from an other-wordly Supreme Being, but it takes a lot of skilful marketing to trick people into believing such nonsense.

Please try to get back into the world of rational beings, and present what we could accept as independent and scienticfic proof. I am not impressed by your husband's postulated qualifications (and don't tempt me to reciprocate), and anyway, I certainly don't think that academically acceptable qualities spread like contagious diseases.

Faust · Feb 17, 2005

Quote: (Originally Posted by isis89)
Why Do Some Doubt The Deity of Christ?
In the old testament the messiah is supposed to be a direct descendant of David.
The book of Matthew 1:1 states The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. And gives the lineage of Abraham through David and up to Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
If Jesus is the son of God and the messiah, then why is his lineage traced to Joseph?
If he was Josephs son the lineage is correct, but then that discounts the virgin birth and son of God bit.
If he is not the son of God, then is he a deity?
Faust.

This post was a direct response to the question you posed in your thread.
It was not addressed.
Faust.

Hi Iris89, This is a good reason for doubting the deity of Jesus based only on the bible.
This is the third time I have posted it and I would like a response. After all you did ask the question.You should at least give me the consideration of an answer.
Faust.

painted wolf · Feb 17, 2005

Performance- Coyote for one was known to have raised the dead, come back from the dead, healed the sick.
The same goes for, Glooskap, Raven, and many others.
Greeks also had many who were said to be born of the Gods, some by virgins, some by women who had been virgins untill said God introduced themselves.
Hiawatha is thought by some to have been sired by God sent to guide the people. Some eaven say he was god and had taken human form to live among man and teach them personally.

I'm sure if you look into any culture you will find those who have had origens and actions very similer to Jesus.

What makes Jesus more genuine than the others?

And I'm sorry Iris, but my civilization and thier culture/religion has also been just as historically 'proven' as anything in the bible. Thus I still don't see why the bible is more justified than my faith.

wa:do

linwood · Feb 18, 2005

painted wolf said:
Performance- Coyote for one was known to have raised the dead, come back from the dead, healed the sick.
The same goes for, Glooskap, Raven, and many others.
Greeks also had many who were said to be born of the Gods, some by virgins, some by women who had been virgins untill said God introduced themselves.
Hiawatha is thought by some to have been sired by God sent to guide the people. Some eaven say he was god and had taken human form to live among man and teach them personally.

Don`t forget Horus.
Horus rocks!!

iris89 · Feb 18, 2005

Hi Everyone

One poster asks what makes Jesus (Yeshua) different from legendary characters.

The answer is reality. I think many posters need to learn to distinguish the two and stop playing games of logomachy.

Your Friend in Christ Iris89

painted wolf · Feb 18, 2005

Hiawatha is a recognized historical figure

He has just as much evidence for having existed, if not more, than Jesus.
Many have met Coyote over the years as well.
Imhotep is an Anchient Egyption god and a documented historical figure, why is he not a valid Deity?

I'm not playing games, I'm asking a valid question... I'm sorry that you are uncomfortable with that but it is valid.

why is my history discounted as myth but yours is truth?

This is why I doubt, this is the answer to the question you originally posted. "Why do some doubt the Deity of Christ?".

If you didn't want an answer you shouldn't have asked the question.

wa:do

Pah · Feb 18, 2005

iris89 said:
Hi Everyone

One poster asks what makes Jesus (Yeshua) different from legendary characters.

The answer is reality. I think many posters need to learn to distinguish the two and stop playing games of logomachy.

Your Friend in Christ Iris89

That seems to be a non-answer answer

linwood · Feb 18, 2005

pah said:
That seems to be a non-answer answer

Pah,
This whole thread is 14 pages of non-answer answers.

true blood · Feb 18, 2005

Anyone who has the "spirit of God" in them can essentially be called gods. It's absurd to think that God the Creator did not have dealings with other peoples and nations outside of Israel. I believe he imparted his spirit on people from all corners of the earth. It's even stated in the scriptures. If you read the bible and try not to get all emotional you'll discover these things.

Sunstone · Feb 18, 2005

Painted Wolf said:
why is my history discounted as myth but yours is truth?

Frubals to you, Painted Wolf!

Feathers in Hair · Feb 18, 2005

And Painted Wolf is getting more frubals from me, as well.

Finding my vocabulary lacking, I had to look this up;

dispute over/about words; controversy marked by verbiage

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[size=-1] a controversy of no real substance, depending on a merely verbal dispute.
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I don't think that many people are engaging in this supposed 'game'. When the majority of us ask our questions, we ask them seriously, and we expect an answer that has been given as much thought as we've put into answering your questions.

So why is Painted Wolf's history and my theology any more mythical than your version?

Your friend in Hina, Cerridwen, Fox, Raven, Spider, Oshun and Kwan Yin,
Feathers

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