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Is Christianity that bad?

Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
So I was talking to an older catholic in my parish. And I only mention "older" because she's not very familiar with the computer world and all it's complexities.

Anyways, I hinted at the fact that there are quite a few people out there that view Christianity and even Catholicism as an evil and oppressive organization. She was floored to find out that people viewed it that bad.

She was aware there was disagreements, but not to the point that people would categorize as oppressive and evil.

Do people really believe it's that bad or is it just there failure to understand how said religion functions?

From my experience, it's rare when to bump into a person who fully understands what they are objecting to......Does anyone relate?
 
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athanasius

Well-Known Member
I have heard that but its a rare few that actually do believe this. most of them I know of can't trust anything and they are conspiracy theorist(the whole Mother Teresa was a bad women conspiracy reminds me of these very few people). Others are downright angry at life and religion in general so they take it out on Christianity's because we are very large religion and teach many hard things. Most people I know have been hit with Indifference which is another deadly spiritual disease.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Victor said:
So I was talking to an older catholic in my parish. And I only mention "older" because she's not very familiar with the computer world and all it's complexities.

Anyways, I hinted at the fact that there are quite a few people out there that view Christianity and even Catholicism as an evil and oppressive organization. She was floored to find out that people viewed it that bad.

She was aware there was disagreements, but not to the point that people would categorize as oppressive and evil.

Do people really believe it's that bad or is it just there failure to understand how said religion functions?

From my experience, it's rare when I bump into a person who fully understands what they are objecting to? Does anyone relate?
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I'm not sure, Victor. It seems to me that people are fairly aware of the church's anti-abortion, anti-homosexual, and anti-divorce agenda, and there are enough people just in these categories who have personally experienced the church as oppressive - not to mention the church's dark history. Also, we don't have to mention the money and sex scandals, either.

In my experience, it has been people intimately familiar with the oppressive nature of the church who regard it as so.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
angellous_evangellous said:
I'm not sure, Victor. It seems to me that people are fairly aware of the church's anti-abortion, anti-homosexual, and anti-divorce agenda, and there are enough people just in these categories who have personally experienced the church as oppressive - not to mention the church's dark history. Also, we don't have to mention the money and sex scandals, either.

In my experience, it has been people intimately familiar with the oppressive nature of the church who regard it as so.
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I can agree with that, but I'd rephrase it to say "people intimately familiar with where the Church stands on a particular topic."........People don't conclude that it's evil because they understood all the politics in history and understand where the Church stands on most issues. It's usually one issue that triggers it.
 
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athanasius

Well-Known Member
angellous_evangellous said:
I'm not sure, Victor. It seems to me that people are fairly aware of the church's anti-abortion, anti-homosexual, and anti-divorce agenda, and there are enough people just in these categories who have personally experienced the church as oppressive - not to mention the church's dark history. Also, we don't have to mention the money and sex scandals, either.

In my experience, it has been people intimately familiar with the oppressive nature of the church who regard it as so.
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I suppose that would depend on how these people view oppression. Event the Liberals(cringe) I know do not consider Christianity Evil. They just disagree with the church.
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Victor said:
I can agree with that, but I'd rephrase it to say "people intimately familiar with where the Church stands on a particular topic."........People don't conclude that it's evil because they understood all the politics in history and understand where the Church stands on most issues. It's usually one issue that triggers it.
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I don't view the church as evil but if anyone does it could be because of the rampant (or appearing to be rampant) pedophilia. You just don't see that particular sin exposed the way it is through the Catholic church.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Buttercup said:
I don't view the church as evil but if anyone does it could be because of the rampant (or appearing to be rampant) pedophilia. You just don't see that particular sin exposed the way it is through the Catholic church.
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That tends to happen when you are the largest Christian religion. Besides, there are plenty of Catholics upset about that, not just outsiders.
 
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athanasius

Well-Known Member
Buttercup said:
I don't view the church as evil but if anyone does it could be because of the rampant (or appearing to be rampant) pedophilia. You just don't see that particular sin exposed the way it is through the Catholic church.
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That is true you don't See it. That is because the Liberal media loves to attack and blow out of proportion the Catholic Church and her sinners. Ask any FBI Agent(I have a friend who is one) and they will tell you pedophilia is just a s high in protestant chruches and even families by Fathers but rarely do you see them on the tube. it more fun to poke at the big guys.
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Victor said:
That tends to happen when you are the largest Christian religion. Besides, there are plenty of Catholics upset about that, not just outsiders.
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athanasius said:
That is true you don't See it. That is because the Liberal media loves to attack and blow out of proportion the Catholic Church and her sinners. Ask any FBI Agent(I have a friend who is one) and they will tell you pedophilia is just a s high in protestant chruches and even families by Fathers but rarely do you see them on the tube. it more fun to poke at the big guys.
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I understand what you're saying guys. I'm just giving a reason why people might see the church as evil. Doesn't mean it's true though. :)
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
athanasius said:
That is true you don't See it. That is because the Liberal media loves to attack and blow out of proportion the Catholic Church and her sinners. Ask any FBI Agent(I have a friend who is one) and they will tell you pedophilia is just a s high in protestant chruches and even families by Fathers but rarely do you see them on the tube. it more fun to poke at the big guys.
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I was just about to mention that. In fact, that is why many in the Church believe that married priests wouldn't make a difference. Whether a pedophile is married or not, he's still a pedophile.
 
Darkness

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
The main fault I find with Christianity in general is its negative view of mankind. It treats men (and women) like they are worthless ingrates who should be wiped off the face of the Earth, but because of God's "mercy" he will not punish those who believe His son was nailed to a cross and then rose from a tomb and now sits at God's right hand. We are degraded for simply being human. Christianity makes sure you never forget that you are pathetic and that God is so great; it makes sure you know you are the slave.

Christianity has an unhealthy view of sex. Not just the act of sex, but it is degrading to women. It forces people into gender roles and then makes them feel like sh*t when they do not conform to the Authority. It makes believe the natural act of sex is dirty and evil and it hates same-sex relationships.

All in all, Christianity is the very anti-thesis Humanism (human dignity). On the surface, it can be a great tool for comfort and security, to give you purpose, but when you become a fundamentalist and renounce humanism all together it becomes a very bad thing.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Victor said:
So I was talking to an older catholic in my parish. And I only mention "older" because she's not very familiar with the computer world and all it's complexities.

Anyways, I hinted at the fact that there are quite a few people out there that view Christianity and even Catholicism as an evil and oppressive organization. She was floored to find out that people viewed it that bad.

She was aware there was disagreements, but not to the point that people would categorize as oppressive and evil.
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How old is she? :confused: I thought that ever since the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith (See Ch. XXV, No. VI), it was common knowledge in North America and Western Europe that Catholicism wasn't universally liked.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Darkness said:
The main fault I find with Christianity in general is its negative view of mankind. It treats men (and women) like they are worthless ingrates who should be wiped off the face of the Earth, but because of God's "mercy" he will not punish those who believe His son was nailed to a cross and then rose from a tomb and now sits at God's right hand. We are degraded for simply being human. Christianity makes sure you never forget that you are pathetic and that God is so great; it makes sure you know you are the slave.

Christianity has an unhealthy view of sex. Not just the act of sex, but it is degrading to women. It forces people into gender roles and then makes them feel like sh*t when they do not conform to the Authority. It makes believe the natural act of sex is dirty and evil and it hates same-sex relationships.

All in all, Christianity is the very anti-thesis Humanism (human dignity). On the surface, it can be a great tool for comfort and security, to give you purpose, but when you become a fundamentalist and renounce humanism all together it becomes a very bad thing.
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This is little more than bigoted garbage from someone apparently ignorant of both Christianity and Humanism. This arrogant poverty of historical perspective is inexcusable.
 
Darkness

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
Jay said:
This is little more than bigoted garbage from someone apparently ignorant of both Christianity and Humanism. This arrogant poverty of historical perspective is inexcusable.
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Firstly, it should be noted that I was speaking of Christian Fundamentalism.

Secondly, what exactly did I say that Christian Fundamentalism does "advocate"?
 
Darkness

Darkness

Psychoanalyst/Marxist
Originally Posted by Darkness
The main fault I find with Christianity in general is ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkness
Firstly, it should be noted that I was speaking of Christian Fundamentalism.
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I apologize for the confusion. I worded this wrongly.

Darkness said:
The main fault I find with Christianity in general is its negative view of mankind. It treats men (and women) like they are worthless ingrates who should be wiped off the face of the Earth, but because of God's "mercy" he will not punish those who believe His son was nailed to a cross and then rose from a tomb and now sits at God's right hand. We are degraded for simply being human. Christianity makes sure you never forget that you are pathetic and that God is so great; it makes sure you know you are the slave.
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What I wrote in the first paragraph is pretty much pervasive throughout all Christendom, isn't it?

Darkness said:
Christianity has an unhealthy view of sex. Not just the act of sex, but it is degrading to women. It forces people into gender roles and then makes them feel like sh*t when they do not conform to the Authority. It makes believe the natural act of sex is dirty and evil and it hates same-sex relationships.
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The "gender repression" ideas in my second paragraph are not held by all Christendom. Liberal Christians are usually open to all sorts of new "gender" relationships.

Darkness said:
All in all, Christianity is the very anti-thesis Humanism (human dignity). On the surface, it can be a great tool for comfort and security, to give you purpose, but when you become a fundamentalist and renounce humanism all together it becomes a very bad thing.
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Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully. I should have said, "all in all Biblism (Bible - ism)..."

Ah... what I wanted to communicate on this thread is that following the Bible like it is the Word of God is a very bad thing. The Bible is full of innumerable evils. If you want to be a Christian and preach love, kindness, acceptance then I have no problem. But if you believe God is going to torture most of humanity for all eternity, that homosexuals should be denied rights based on a two-thousand year old book... if you are that kind of Christian, then I stand by everything that I have said.
 
atomic47

atomic47

Member
It's not the religion that's bad. It's it's mission....that is to convert every non-christian into a christian. Take the missionaries is africa for example. They can care for the poor, feed the hungry, and help clean thing up WITHOUT trying to convert everyone by just loving their fellow human beings. I'm sure some missions have good intentions, but it just seems that the force christianity upon people who just want some food to survive. Kinda hard to say no to christianity when they are giving you food and you have no other choice but to die. That and the "if you don't like it you can get the hell out!" types don't really help the secular/non-christian american communities. Sometimes it seems Christianity is like a huge mega-corporation that sets up franchises everywhere they go so they can get bigger and bigger and push their own agenda. Those things and the 700 club.........
 
Quagmire

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
"Is Christianity that bad"?

Christianity? No.

What passes for "Christianity" in many people's minds (and mouths)? Yeah, it can get pretty ugly.

The worst thing about "Christianity" is that no one ever bothered to patton the name/trademark. Now anybody can slap the label on anything they want.
 
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