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Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
I agree...

I don't hold punches, but I am upfront from the very beginning of a conversation that I am going to be punching. Just check out the Apostolic succession thread! :D
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
NetDoc said:
So Rozs,

Did you ask the question to get an answer or did you already have an answer and just wanted a fight?
SOGFPP: Thanks for telling us why the Catholics believe what they do.[/PART QUOTE]

I agree NetDoc, this thread reminds me of a spider, his cobweb, and a fly.........
And in this case, as usual, Scott has been a formidable 'fly':)
 

fromthe heart

Well-Known Member
I as well don't appreciate deception...please don't try that again.:tsk: To me you showed a lot of disrespect for Scott and I don't settle in well with this sort of thing. I have a great deal of respect for Scott and his beliefs...He and I do differ but we really respect each other and you were just plain wrong to pretend that way.:(
 

Rozs

Member
SOGFPP said:
Rozs,

What NetDoc and I have a problem with is that your opening post was an obvious lie:
You obviously had an agenda, and it was unChristian to lie and pretend "gee, what's Purgatory?", when you knew all along what it was......... so get Biblical, have some fun here on the forums.... just know that you won't fool me again.... and in trying to do so you lost my respect, and the respect of at least one or two of your non-Catholic Christians as well.

Scott
I did not deceive anyone. I ask because I don't know the doctrine of purgatory. Then you answered. I studied your doctrine if it is biblical and then I composed a topic regarding my view on the subject matter. In what point did i fool you? or you cannot fight your own doctrine? We are talking about purgatory. I did not jump on another topic. I have nothing against you or your supporters.

Ephesians 6:12
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Let us talk doctrines not how i speak or how i debate. because wrong doctrines can put some of us to hell.

Matthew 15:14
14Let them alone; they are blind guides.[a] And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."

If you thought i was fooling or deceiving you. Scott I am sorry. Please forgive me.
 

Rozs

Member
fromthe heart said:
I as well don't appreciate deception...please don't try that again.:tsk: To me you showed a lot of disrespect for Scott and I don't settle in well with this sort of thing. I have a great deal of respect for Scott and his beliefs...He and I do differ but we really respect each other and you were just plain wrong to pretend that way.:(
I'm sorry. I have no intention of maligning the character of anyone. I just answered.
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Rozs said:
If you thought i was fooling or deceiving you. Scott I am sorry. Please forgive me.
I forgive you, my friend. Thanks for the apology.

Looking forward to more discussions with you..... thanks for being a member here at Religious Forums!

Scott
 

Rozs

Member
SOGFPP said:
I forgive you, my friend. Thanks for the apology.

Looking forward to more discussions with you..... thanks for being a member here at Religious Forums!

Scott
Thanx! I will research on the doctrines of th R.Catholic church. Then we will debate.
It is a pleasure debating with you my friend.

Thank you!!:)
 

Doc

Space Chief
Since I have never been able to grasp Purgatory, I have always wondered if perhaps one is not suited for heaven or evil enough for the fire, then perhaps they are reincarnated back to Earth for another chance so to speak as either a human or other being. It seemed kind of silly to me for new souls to constantly be created. I do not believe or disbelieve in this theory. And I have no Scriptures of any sort to back it up. It is simply an idea of mine one which I decline debating of.
 

ArkieOlogy

New Member
Hi -- This is my second post at this forum (the first was very brief, about conversion). By way of introduction, I'm an ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, industrial-strength Catholic.

Rosz, the reason you don't believe in Purgatory is that you're too young :). Or, rather, your church (Protestant, I presume) is too young. Your origin was the 16th century or later. All Protestant churches are disconnected from historical Christianity, having originated from their founders' interpretation of the 66-book version of the Bible.

Jesus and the Apostles were Jews, and the first-century Jews believed in purification of the soul after death. The Apostles taught this belief to the Church (and by Church I mean Catholic), before the New Testament was ever written. Many of their earliest converts were Jews, who didn't have to be taught -- they accepted purification of the soul after death as part of Judaism, and that belief was carried over into Christianity. Even today, 21 centuries later, Jews still pray for their dead. The Church gave the name "purgatory" to this process of purification, from the Latin "purgatio" (cleansing); the verb is purgare -- to cleanse, to purify. Jews don't have a name for it. The other ancient Christian Church, the Orthodox, also pray for their dead; but they, too, have no name for it. Only the Protestants reject this historical Jewish-Christian belief.

Purification of the soul after death is in the Catholic Bible, in 2 Maccabees 12:44-46. Martin Luther removed eleven books from his German translation of the Bible (1522-34) and put them in a separate section -- an appendix -- at the back. He declared his rejection of them in prefaces to these writings. The NT books -- Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation -- were later restored to their rightful place in the canon by Luther's followers, so Protestants have the same 27 books that were in the original Bible canonized and formed by the Catholic Church. However, seven books and parts of Esther and Daniel, canonized by the Catholic Church in the same decrees from the same councils, are still missing from the Protestant OT. The original KJV (1611) followed Luther's system and placed these books in an appendix, separated from the writings he considered "Scripture." Later editions eliminated them altogether. So when Luther declared his new doctrine of Sola Scriptura, he had in mind the 'Scriptura' with Maccabees cut out. Very clever fellow, that Luther. :)

So it's in my Bible, but not in yours. :)

Peace be with you, ArkieOlogy (Jay)
 

Doc

Space Chief
They are not disconnected. The differences are mostly ceremonial. The Faith is quite similar. I agree that that was an arrogant statement.
 

ArkieOlogy

New Member
NetDoc said:
OK... don't mind me while I laugh at your arrogance.
Nothing I wrote came out of an attitude of arrogance. Sorry if it came across that way to you. Protestant history begins in the 16th century. Protestants do not look to early Christianity for guidance in interpreting the Scriptures -- that was my experience, and I spent many years as a Protestant.

Peace be with you, ArkieOlogy (Jay)
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
I am not a protestant... my guidance comes from the first century church found in the Bible. We need nothing else.
 
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