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Why have Christians forgotten the fourth Commandment?

Are all Ten commandments binding?


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angellous_evangellous

Guest
It also says that a Christian should not continually irritate other Christians about the Sabbath.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
***Thread merged with the other thread on the same topic by the same member.***
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Real Christianity and real Christians are obedient to Christ and His teachings, according to the Old and New Testament. If "All scripture is given by inspiration of God -for doctrine reproof and correction"

Why then the problems with " Remember
" the Sabbath day to keep it holy - the word "Remember" denotes something forgotten. Christ call us to remember the seventh day Sabbath that was instituted at Creation.

-Why are Christians not obedient to Christ's teachings? Especially since the Ten Commandments are an express teaching of Christ.

"Six days shall thou labour and do all thy work for the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord you God". If the text said first day of the week instead of the seventh -it would really be a non issue -wouldn't it?

Is this my interpretation of Scripture or is this what the Scripture says?
Neither Jesus nor Christianity are mentioned in the old testament.

"All scripture" would refer to the the old testament writings.

"Remember" probably has a lot more to do with anamnesis than with something forgotten.

So, when Jesus worked on the Sabbath to heal people, he was being disobedient to the OT Law. Therefore, to be "real Christians," we should follow his excellent example of working on the Sabbath??
 

Malach1

Member
thos e who adhere to the laws of Moses have become slaves to them and have shown themselves to be such- I think Sojourner is not even aware of what the quality of the Sabbath is and what is its effect both heavenly and on earth-when was it created Sojourner on the seventh dayfor Sabbath signifies the eight
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Obey the commandments of God or the commandments of men its all about worship let no man deceive you. The longest of the Ten Commandments in the middle of the Law, so plain, its about worship, from the very beginning. Satan wants your worship- God wants your worship- You choose who you will serve.
And sometimes, you choose to squeeze pimples.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
thos e who adhere to the laws of Moses have become slaves to them and have shown themselves to be such- I think Sojourner is not even aware of what the quality of the Sabbath is and what is its effect both heavenly and on earth-when was it created Sojourner on the seventh dayfor Sabbath signifies the eight

:biglaugh:
He don't know me vewy well...do he?
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
On what day does God ask you to worship Him, according to the Bible?
Duh, the Seventh Day.
I do not recall anyone disputing that it is the SEVENTH DAY that one is to worship.
What is being disputed is your claim that the seventh day lines up with Saturday.
And since you have presented nothing but doctrines of man to support your CLAIM that the Bible means Saturday when it says the Seventh Day...

And once again round and round in the same circle 'cause you cannot/will not see that you are doing the exact thing that you complain about others doing... ...using doctrines of men to support your personal interpretations of the extreme generalities the Bible has on the subject.

Obey the commandments of God or the commandments of men its all about worship let no man deceive you.
Interestingly enough, this is exactly what I am doing.
I am not letting you deceive me.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
I wonder how this factors into the whole "Saturday is the Seventh Day" debate?

Bob Brooke said:
[FONT=Trebuchet MS, arial, helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]On September 2, 1752, an odd happening occurred that's still keeping genealogists on their toes. On that day, the British Isles and all the English colonies, including America, lost 11 days--September 3 through 13. People went to sleep and when they awoke the next morning, the date had changed to September 14. There were riots in rural villages since the people thought the government was trying to cheat them out of 11 days of their lives. Though these days disappeared in English lands in 1752, a number had already vanished in other places--France in 1582, Austria in 1584, and Norway in 1700.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]The British were among the last countries in the world to accept that fact they were using a flawed calendar. The Julian calendar--named after Julius Caesar, who adopted it around 45 B.C.--declared March 25 New Year's Day and added that the year would be 365 days and 6 hours long. The Nicene Council officially adopted the calendar in 325 A.D. As it became possible to measure the length of the solar year more accurately, astronomers found that the Julian system exceeded the solar year by 11 minutes, or 24 hours every 131 years, and three days every 400 years. This excess amounted to 10 days between 325 A.D. and 1582 A.D.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Pope Gregory XIII ordered a new calendar, called the Gregorian calendar in 1582, when most of the world jumped forward by 10 days on October 5, thus restoring the vernal equinox to March 21. To prevent the recurrence of this error, he ordered that, in every 400 years, leap year's extra day should be omitted three times. To accomplish this in an orderly fashion, he omitted the last day of February on centennial years of which the first two digits couldn't be divided by four without a remainder. Thus, it was omitted in 1700, 1800, and 1900, but won't be omitted in 2000.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]All Catholic countries, following the edict of the Pope, adopted the new system. But England, then in difficulties with the Church of Rome, refused to go along with the new calendar until the mid-18th century and by then the difference had grown to 11 days. All British lands except Scotland, which changed its calendar 100 years before, now celebrated New Year's Day on January 1. In Russia, the Julian calendar continued to be used.[/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Despite the official calendar, people in England and the colonies began to use the Gregorian system as early as the 16th century. Thus, many early colonial records include double dates, written as "12 February 1661/1662," indicating that, although it was officially 1661, some considered it to be 1662. [/FONT]
[/FONT]
Source
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Romans 14-5

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


Romans 14-22

Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.


1 John 3-21

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Romans 14-5

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


Romans 14-22

Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.


1 John 3-21

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
And the relevance is?
 

rstrats

Active Member
Mestemia,

re: "I wonder how this factors into the whole ‘Saturday is the Seventh’ debate?"

It doesn’t.
 

blueman

God's Warrior
The ten commandments represent the law God gave to Moses, sometimes referred to as the Mosaic law. Jesus tore the veil of the law when He came and sacrificed Himself on the cross for our sins (past, present and future). A relationship with God through Jesus Christ signifies our redemption and salvation, not the legalistic ritual of maintaining the law as depicted prior to Christ's incarnation. Jesus represented the new covenant that God presented to mankind. Through following the Word of God through Jesus Christ, God will transform your personality gradually through santification. Our desire will be to do what pleases God, although each and everyday, we will slip up, but the discipline to please Him will evolve through our devotion to studying His Word and through prayer.

The fact that your job may require us to work on Sunday is not going to displease God.
 

rstrats

Active Member
blueman,


re: "The fact that your job may require us to work on Sunday is not going to displease God."

Nor should it, since there is nothing in scripture that says that work should not be done on Sunday.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
And the relevance is?

Mestemia, I could preach you a whole sermon that may enlighten you, but I have been trying real hard not to pull your chain.

The relevance is, you don't need to follow all the comandments to see heaven, not to the letter anyway.

If your faith is strong and you are following the Lord, it would not matter what day it was or even if you even chose a day.

Technically the 7 day adventists have it right. That does not mean you cannot pick another day or even keep one day above another.

Romans 14 contains many messages. I believe there is a possibility for many folks to bend the rules and keep their faith in the Lord. There are some conditions and boundaries, but opens the door for a Christian to be flexible.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Mestemia, I could preach you a whole sermon that may enlighten you, but I have been trying real hard not to pull your chain.

The relevance is, you don't need to follow all the comandments to see heaven, not to the letter anyway.

If your faith is strong and you are following the Lord, it would not matter what day it was or even if you even chose a day.
Thank you for the explanation.

Technically the 7 day adventists have it right. That does not mean you cannot pick another day or even keep one day above another.
Technically they do not have a leg to stand on.
I have already stated that every one of their arguments can be used to prove that any day of the week is the 'Seventh Day' referred to in the Bible.
And I find it rather hypocritical of them to add the words Friday and Monday to the scriptures as though it is the end of the debate.
That is doing the exact thing they complain about everyone else doing, using man made doctrine to prove their point.
The fact is that they have not shown that Saturday is the "Seventh Day" that the scriptures speak of.
In fact, they have not shown that Wednesday is not the "Seventh Day" the scriptures speak of.

Romans 14 contains many messages. I believe there is a possibility for many folks to bend the rules and keep their faith in the Lord. There are some conditions and boundaries, but opens the door for a Christian to be flexible.
Ah, but d.n. irvin is flat out lying.
This is not a mere 'bending of the rules', it is a flat out breaking of them them.
He is so concerned with keeping the sabbath that it appears he has forgotten the one goes something like "Thou Shalt Not Lie."
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
The ten commandments represent the law God gave to Moses, sometimes referred to as the Mosaic law. Jesus tore the veil of the law when He came and sacrificed Himself on the cross for our sins (past, present and future). A relationship with God through Jesus Christ signifies our redemption and salvation, not the legalistic ritual of maintaining the law as depicted prior to Christ's incarnation. Jesus represented the new covenant that God presented to mankind. Through following the Word of God through Jesus Christ, God will transform your personality gradually through santification. Our desire will be to do what pleases God, although each and everyday, we will slip up, but the discipline to please Him will evolve through our devotion to studying His Word and through prayer.

The fact that your job may require us to work on Sunday is not going to displease God.

It seems that those who follow this train of thought single the Sabbath Day out as a commandment that doesn't matter anymore. They see adultery, stealing, murder as still sins, but not violating the Sabbath Day. All of the ten commandments deserve the same respect today.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Romans 14-8,9

Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath faith fullfilling the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; AND IF THERE BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, IT IS BRIEFLY COMPREHENDED IN THIS SAYING NAMELY, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.
 
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