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Mock Turtle
Feb 17, 2018
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Irreverent/irrelevant old git

Mock Turtle

Silent Generation - so don't expect much, Male, from UK

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    1. Revoltingest
      Thanx for the gifted frubal !
      And for fruballing the challenging actual image of God Himself!
      And for the wisdom flurble!
      And for enfroobling science not having all the questions!
      And for the several Wu Wei & Sun Rise cartoons furballs!
      And for froobing the hypocrisy meter!
      And for the heavenly frubly!
      And for the average IQ lowering frubering!!
      And for the highly intelligent frubigent!!
    2. ChristineM
      TY for fruballing Trump Insults French
    3. Revoltingest
      Thanx for the Komodo dragon frubon!
      And for fruballing personally lubricated tax forms!
      And for flurbing offending Sandy!
      ANd for the proper interpretation of a go proverb flooberb!
      And for flurballing the best person on RF!
      And for the vacuuming frubing!
      And for foorbing sound ursine judgement!
      Of course, as turtles go, yours is the best!
    4. ChristineM
      Glad you found my post on What is wrong with believing in both science and religion? funny
    5. Revoltingest
      Thanx for froobing that devilish Wu Wei!
      And for the flaming Jesus frubus!
      And for fruballing frubal billionaires!
      And for the good look'n frubal !
      And for froolbing pixless threads!
      And for the pick up line & response frubyl!
      And for froobling things looking up!
      And for the unchristian Trump flurble!
    6. ChristineM
      Thanks for fruballing How Did Humor Evolve in Our Species?
    7. Revoltingest
      Thanx for the unreliable social lubricant frubricant!
      And for fruballing my marital advice!
      And for the hatred of successful males fruble!
      And for froobling sinless commentary!
      And for the questionable loss of liberty fruberty!
      And for the okapi frubi!
      And for fruballing Sun Rise with gills!
      And for the levitating penguin frubuin!
      And for flooorbing Snitch On A Ditch Witch!
    8. ChristineM
      TY for the frubal on From the Atheists view; can life have meaning ?
    9. Revoltingest
      Thanx for the unhating frubing!
      New moniker? I like it.
      And thanx for the uncertain fruble!
      And for froobing picturing other posters naked (diffusing anger)!
      And for the dangerous hammers froobal !
      And for froobling soup!
      And for the missing link frubol !
      And for furballing Oleg's new Trabant!
    10. ChristineM
      Thanks for frubally thing on brainwashed?
    11. Trailblazer
      Unfortunately, I have not had many friends so I am not that streetwise... Regarding friends, see what I post on my thread tomorrow. It will be kind of long.
    12. Trailblazer
      But don’t you know he has a good reason for locking me out – not. And that is why it is so unjust. But I don’t care anyone, I’ll get over this in due time, just like the last time. I do not think he even thinks in terms of hurting others, he is like a robot on auto pilot. He doesn’t like something so he acts out like a child. I just hope I have walked away for good this time.
      1. Mock Turtle
        Mock Turtle
        I have been in a similar place and the best thing I can say, although not so easy to do, is just to forget them. Don't let them harm you so. As you say, many just can't see the damage they do to others - their problem, not yours.
        Apr 18, 2018
      2. Trailblazer
        Thanks. I am trying to extricate myself from this situation but because I have my own forum I cannot leave that forum group, and these forums are all related to one another so everybody knows everybody, like a small town. It will take time to heal.
        Apr 18, 2018
    13. Revoltingest
      Thanx for frooballing macaques!
      And for the slow & ignorant frubal !
      And for furballing facing ramifications of one's actions in life!
      And for the tedious wall of text furball !
      And for fruballing the movie version!
      And for the computer security frubity!
      And for flurbing the reading list!
      And for the conversational frubional !
      1. Mock Turtle
        Mock Turtle
        My fingers are just too fast all too often, lol.
        Apr 16, 2018
    14. Trailblazer
      I am kind of back on this forum after a falling out on the other forum I went to. I do not want to go back there EVER again. The staff is totally unjust and insulting to believers. I do not know why I take such abuse as long as I do but I am done now or at least I hope I am... I feel lost here right now so I just wanted to say hi. I consider you my friend. I need a friend right now. Humans can be so cruel.
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      2. Trailblazer
        Thanks. I saw that you bought that subscription. ;-) I recall you mentioned in your story that people had been cruel to you so I guess you understand. This is painful because I trusted that man and considered him a friend and then he stabbed me in the back. He then posted lies about me on his forum and I am locked out so I cannot defend myself. I am TOO trusting and it gets me hurt.
        Apr 16, 2018
      3. Mock Turtle
        Mock Turtle
        Not nice. I have had the same happen. It does seem such a cowardly thing to do, to not let someone defend themselves. Usually I just walk away and never return - plenty of others who are worth interacting with. I think it is often those younger who tend not to know that what they say can hurt others, but perhaps that's the way they have experienced life so far.
        Apr 17, 2018
      4. Mock Turtle
        Mock Turtle
        Fortunately I have had many good friends so I know how to treat others and appreciate the one's we get on best with. Mind you, even here there are some rowdy types, lol.
        Apr 17, 2018
    15. Revoltingest
      Thanx for fruballing skwim's vacation pix!
      And for the money angel frubel !
      And for furballing the lack of answers!
      And for the lowered expectations fruble!
      And for froobling my vast experience!
      And for the irreversibility of choices frubol !
      And for froobling kilts!
      And for the R Lee Ermey frubey!
    16. ChristineM
      Ta for the Creation and Evolution Compatible...Questions frubal
    17. Revoltingest
      Thanx for the 23.7% frubal !
      And for fruballing hating gods...all of'm!
      And for the toughened skin furball !
      And for the not laudible frubible!
      And for furballing being interesting!
      And for the brian damgaed fllurble!
      And for flurbing having us at RF now!
      And for the Hell Labs frubol !
      And for flurbing denying folding pliers to those Brits!
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    19. ChristineM
      Thanks for the Nationalism frubal.
    20. `mud
      Ty for the frub, love the monkey
      1. Mock Turtle
        Mock Turtle
        No problem, the monkey fits me like a glove - and just one thing I like about this forum, it's so easy to project one's personality, lol. oo-ooh
        Mar 13, 2018
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    Irreverent/irrelevant old git
    Fellowship of the Mutable (agnostic atheist)
    DIR Forum Access:
    • Abrahamic Religion DIR
    • Dharmic Religions DIR
    • Non-Theistic/Non-Religious Beliefs DIR
    Some useful reading (for me at least), and in no particular order of merit (but with some recommendations) - many read a long time ago by the way:


    Life 3.0 (2017) by Max Tegmark - an exploration into how AI might develop and the likely problems associated with such
    Factfulness (2018) by Hans Rosling - why one should get the facts to inform one's opinion, which is often just not the case (must read)
    Future Shock (1970) by Alvin Toffler - arguing effects of rapid change and the possible societal consequences of such
    Maladies & Medicine: Exploring Health & Healing, 1540-1740 (2017) by Jennifer Evans & Sara Read - an exploration of health and healing in England during this period
    10 Billion (2013) by Stephen Emmott - pessimistic appraisal of population growth and what the implications are (must read)

    Religions and such:

    The End of Faith (2005) by Sam Harris - exploring the negative effects of religious beliefs
    Breaking the Spell (2007) by Daniel Dennett - an explanation as to why religion might be seen as a purely natural phenomena
    The God Argument (2013) by A C Grayling - the case for Humanism as opposed to what religions offer
    The God Delusion (2006) by Richard Dawkins - one atheist's view as to why religious beliefs are delusions

    Human behaviour and history:

    Behave (2017) by Robert Sapolsky - attempting to explain why we behave as we do, involving so many aspects of being human (must read)
    Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind (2015) by Yuval Noah Harari - from insignificant and more primitive ape to being the one exceptionally advanced ape (must read)
    Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow (2016) by Yuval Noah Harari - following on from the previous book, where we might be headed (must read)
    A Million Years in a Day (2015) by Greg Jenner - the origins of so many things we take for granted
    A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived (2017) by Adam Rutherford - what our genes, and the history of such, reveal about us (must read)
    The Bonobo and the Atheist (2014) by Frans de Waal - exploring any biological basis for morality (must read)
    Guns, Germs, and Steel (1997) by Jared Diamond - proposing how geographical and environmental factors have shaped the modern world (must read)
    The Blind Watchmaker (1986) by Richard Dawkins - an argument for why the Theory of Evolution is a better one than any design being involved
    The Selfish Gene (1976) by Richard Dawkins - the unique role of genes in human life
    Sociobiology: The New Synthesis (1975) by E O Wilson - attempts to explain much of human behaviour from our biological past (must read)
    The Moral Animal: Why We Are The Way We Are (1994) by Robert Wright - an approach to such via evolutionary psychology. Much to learn about Darwin here too (as a person and his struggles), as his work is used as context to explain and discuss much human behaviour. (must read)
    The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity (2021) by David Graeber and David Wengrow - New perspectives as to such from an anthropologist and an archaeologist, and seemingly throwing out many of the old ones - particularly has a go at Fukuyama, Diamond, and Pinker as to their versions of history. Gave up about half-way because it became too boring, and as to having to remember all the tedious detail. :oops:

    The Mind:

    Logically Fallacious (2015) by Bo Bennett - as stated, crash course in logical fallacies
    The Art of Failure (2010) by Dr Neel Burton - designated as the anti self-help guide and what actually is seen as success
    Shrinks: The Untold Story of Psychiatry (2015) by Jeffrey A Lieberman, MD - an account of the painful history of psychiatry and associated treatments
    Against Empathy (2016) by Paul Bloom - how empathy is too often local and/or based upon what appeals, and why this might not be so beneficial overall
    The Remembered Present (1990) by Gerald Edelman - developing a theory concerning consciousness
    Bright Air, Brilliant Fire: On the Matter of the Mind (1992) by Gerald Edelman - theory that the mind has arisen through evolutionary morphology
    Consciousness Explained (1991) by Daniel Dennett - argues how consciousness arises from interaction of physical and cognitive processes
    Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things: What Categories Reveal About the Mind (1987) by George Lakoff - argues for a model of cognition on the basis of semantics
    The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1982) by Julian Jaynes - argues for a bicameral mind being in existence until recent times (must read)
    The Myth of Irrationality (1993) by John McCrone - some thoughts as per title concerning the workings of the human mind
    The Society of Mind (1986) by Marvin Minsky - a theory concerning how the mind is constructed through simpler processes
    How the Mind Works (1997) by Steven Pinker - how the mind works from an evolutionary psychology perspective
    The Language Instinct (1994) by Steven Pinker - argues that humans are born with an innate capacity for language
    The Blank Slate (2002) by Steven Pinker - arguing for human behaviour being shaped by evolutionary psychological adaptations rather than any 'blank slate'
    The Origins of Virtue (1996) by Matt Ridley - explores the issues surrounding the development of human morality
    The Red Queen (1993) by Matt Ridley - explores the evolutionary psychology perspective of sexual selection
    Survival of the Prettiest: The Science of Beauty (1999) by Nancy Etcoff - argues that our concept of beauty is in our biology rather than being a construct
    The Beauty Myth (1990) by Naomi Wolf - proposing that societal pressures have much to do with our concept of beauty
    From Bacteria to Bach And Back: The Evolution of Minds (2017) by Daniel Dennett - a possible explanation for the evolution of consciousness

    Books not read yet or only partially read:

    The Christian Delusion: Why Faith Fails (2010) Ed by John W. Loftus - a collection of essays by various authors, as per title
    Religion Explained: The Evolutionary Origins of Religious Thought (2001) by Pascal Boyer - approaches the subject via evolutionary biology and cognitive psychology
    The Authoritarian Dynamic (2005) by Karen Stenner - an exploration into why we tend to align ourselves with certain political perspectives and as to why we might display certain attitudes, like intolerance for example
    The World Until Yesterday: What Can We Learn From Traditional Societies? (2012) by Jared Diamond - Advancing the view that there is still much to learn from earlier societies that might have been ignored in the rush for progress


    :wink: One (apex) rule to rule them all, one rule to guide them, one rule to ring the world, and in their darkness, bind them - that rule being? - :handpointright: DO NO HARM :handpointleft:
    BJH :star: Dylan :star: Dead Can Dance :star: KCrimson :star: Strawbs :star: Blowzabella :star: VdGG :star: Bonzo Dog :star: Nice.:musicnotes:
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