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Mock Turtle
Feb 17, 2018
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Irreverent/irrelevant old git

Mock Turtle

Silent Generation - so don't expect much, Male, from UK

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    1. Trailblazer
      I am kind of back on this forum after a falling out on the other forum I went to. I do not want to go back there EVER again. The staff is totally unjust and insulting to believers. I do not know why I take such abuse as long as I do but I am done now or at least I hope I am... I feel lost here right now so I just wanted to say hi. I consider you my friend. I need a friend right now. Humans can be so cruel.
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      2. Trailblazer
        Thanks. I saw that you bought that subscription. ;-) I recall you mentioned in your story that people had been cruel to you so I guess you understand. This is painful because I trusted that man and considered him a friend and then he stabbed me in the back. He then posted lies about me on his forum and I am locked out so I cannot defend myself. I am TOO trusting and it gets me hurt.
        Apr 16, 2018
      3. Mock Turtle
        Mock Turtle
        Not nice. I have had the same happen. It does seem such a cowardly thing to do, to not let someone defend themselves. Usually I just walk away and never return - plenty of others who are worth interacting with. I think it is often those younger who tend not to know that what they say can hurt others, but perhaps that's the way they have experienced life so far.
        Apr 17, 2018
      4. Mock Turtle
        Mock Turtle
        Fortunately I have had many good friends so I know how to treat others and appreciate the one's we get on best with. Mind you, even here there are some rowdy types, lol.
        Apr 17, 2018
    2. Revoltingest
      Thanx for fruballing skwim's vacation pix!
      And for the money angel frubel !
      And for furballing the lack of answers!
      And for the lowered expectations fruble!
      And for froobling my vast experience!
      And for the irreversibility of choices frubol !
      And for froobling kilts!
      And for the R Lee Ermey frubey!
    3. ChristineM
      Ta for the Creation and Evolution Compatible...Questions frubal
    4. Revoltingest
      Thanx for the 23.7% frubal !
      And for fruballing hating gods...all of'm!
      And for the toughened skin furball !
      And for the not laudible frubible!
      And for furballing being interesting!
      And for the brian damgaed fllurble!
      And for flurbing having us at RF now!
      And for the Hell Labs frubol !
      And for flurbing denying folding pliers to those Brits!
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    6. ChristineM
      Thanks for the Nationalism frubal.
    7. 'mud
      Ty for the frub, love the monkey
      1. Mock Turtle
        Mock Turtle
        No problem, the monkey fits me like a glove - and just one thing I like about this forum, it's so easy to project one's personality, lol. oo-ooh
        Mar 13, 2018
    8. ChristineM
      Thanks for the funny on What Is The Greatest Trick Satan Ever Pulled?
    9. Revoltingest
      Thanx for the existence limerick frubal (an ancient RF term for a <like>)!
      And for the secular frubal !
      And for fruballing "Heights bad!"!
    10. ChristineM
      Thanks for liking "Iceland Could Become first Country to Ban Male Circumcision"

      And welcome to RF. Enjoy.
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  • About

    Irreverent/irrelevant old git
    Fellowship of the Mutable (agnostic atheist)
    DIR Forum Access:
    • Abrahamic Religion DIR
    • Dharmic Religions DIR
    • Non-Theistic/Non-Religious Beliefs DIR
    Some useful reading (for me at least), and in no particular order of merit (but with some recommendations) - many read a long time ago by the way:


    Life 3.0 (2017) by Max Tegmark - an exploration into how AI might develop and the likely problems associated with such
    Factfulness (2018) by Hans Rosling - why one should get the facts to inform one's opinion, which is often just not the case (must read)
    Future Shock (1970) by Alvin Toffler - arguing effects of rapid change and the possible societal consequences of such
    Maladies & Medicine: Exploring Health & Healing, 1540-1740 (2017) by Jennifer Evans & Sara Read - an exploration of health and healing in England during this period
    10 Billion (2013) by Stephen Emmott - pessimistic appraisal of population growth and what the implications are (must read)

    Religions and such:

    The End of Faith (2005) by Sam Harris - exploring the negative effects of religious beliefs
    Breaking the Spell (2007) by Daniel Dennett - an explanation as to why religion might be seen as a purely natural phenomena
    The God Argument (2013) by A C Grayling - the case for Humanism as opposed to what religions offer
    The God Delusion (2006) by Richard Dawkins - one atheist's view as to why religious beliefs are delusions

    Human behaviour and history:

    Behave (2017) by Robert Sapolsky - attempting to explain why we behave as we do, involving so many aspects of being human (must read)
    Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind (2015) by Yuval Noah Harari - from insignificant and more primitive ape to being the one exceptionally advanced ape (must read)
    Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow (2016) by Yuval Noah Harari - following on from the previous book, where we might be headed (must read)
    A Million Years in a Day (2015) by Greg Jenner - the origins of so many things we take for granted
    A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived (2017) by Adam Rutherford - what our genes, and the history of such, reveal about us (must read)
    The Bonobo and the Atheist (2014) by Frans de Waal - exploring any biological basis for morality (must read)
    Guns, Germs, and Steel (1997) by Jared Diamond - proposing how geographical and environmental factors have shaped the modern world (must read)
    The Blind Watchmaker (1986) by Richard Dawkins - an argument for why the Theory of Evolution is a better one than any design being involved
    The Selfish Gene (1976) by Richard Dawkins - the unique role of genes in human life
    Sociobiology: The New Synthesis (1975) by E O Wilson - attempts to explain much of human behaviour from our biological past (must read)
    The Moral Animal: Why We Are The Way We Are (1994) by Robert Wright - an approach to such via evolutionary psychology. Much to learn about Darwin here too (as a person and his struggles), as his work is used as context to explain and discuss much human behaviour. (must read)

    The Mind:

    Logically Fallacious (2015) by Bo Bennett - as stated, crash course in logical fallacies
    The Art of Failure (2010) by Dr Neel Burton - designated as the anti self-help guide and what actually is seen as success
    Shrinks: The Untold Story of Psychiatry (2015) by Jeffrey A Lieberman, MD - an account of the painful history of psychiatry and associated treatments
    Against Empathy (2016) by Paul Bloom - how empathy is too often local and/or based upon what appeals, and why this might not be so beneficial overall
    The Remembered Present (1990) by Gerald Edelman - developing a theory concerning consciousness
    Bright Air, Brilliant Fire: On the Matter of the Mind (1992) by Gerald Edelman - theory that the mind has arisen through evolutionary morphology
    Consciousness Explained (1991) by Daniel Dennett - argues how consciousness arises from interaction of physical and cognitive processes
    Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things: What Categories Reveal About the Mind (1987) by George Lakoff - argues for a model of cognition on the basis of semantics
    The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1982) by Julian Jaynes - argues for a bicameral mind being in existence until recent times (must read)
    The Myth of Irrationality (1993) by John McCrone - some thoughts as per title concerning the workings of the human mind
    The Society of Mind (1986) by Marvin Minsky - a theory concerning how the mind is constructed through simpler processes
    How the Mind Works (1997) by Steven Pinker - how the mind works from an evolutionary psychology perspective
    The Language Instinct (1994) by Steven Pinker - argues that humans are born with an innate capacity for language
    The Blank Slate (2002) by Steven Pinker - arguing for human behaviour being shaped by evolutionary psychological adaptations rather than any 'blank slate'
    The Origins of Virtue (1996) by Matt Ridley - explores the issues surrounding the development of human morality
    The Red Queen (1993) by Matt Ridley - explores the evolutionary psychology perspective of sexual selection
    Survival of the Prettiest: The Science of Beauty (1999) by Nancy Etcoff - argues that our concept of beauty is in our biology rather than being a construct
    The Beauty Myth (1990) by Naomi Wolf - proposing that societal pressures have much to do with our concept of beauty
    From Bacteria to Bach And Back: The Evolution of Minds (2017) by Daniel Dennett - a possible explanation for the evolution of consciousness (not finished yet)

    Books not read yet or only partially read:

    The Christian Delusion: Why Faith Fails (2010) Ed by John W. Loftus - a collection of essays by various authors, as per title
    Religion Explained: The Evolutionary Origins of Religious Thought (2001) by Pascal Boyer - approaches the subject via evolutionary biology and cognitive psychology
    The Authoritarian Dynamic (2005) by Karen Stenner - an exploration into why we tend to align ourselves with certain political perspectives and as to why we might display certain attitudes, like intolerance for example
    The World Until Yesterday: What Can We Learn From Traditional Societies? (2012) by Jared Diamond - Advancing the view that there is still much to learn from earlier societies that might have been ignored in the rush for progress


    My Precious :smilingimp: One rule to rule them all (other rules), one rule to guide them, one rule to ring the world, and in their darkness, bind them. (after Tolkien) - That rule being? - :handpointright: DO NO HARM :handpointleft:
    BJH :star: Dead Can Dance :star: Strawbs :star: Blowzabella :star: VdGG :star: Bonzo Dog :star: Nice.:musicnotes:
    Currently reading: The Moral Animal by Robert Wright and The Authoritarian Dynamic by Karen Stenner - with both seemingly worth reading :sleepsymbol:
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