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Recent content by Brien

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    A Fool's Proof of God

    Hi Wleeper, Well, I would say this is an unwarranted assumption. Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics live under a moral code, just one that may be a little different from your own. Also I have known plenty of atheists to uphold Christian moral standards better than most Christians. This is a...
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    Is Free Will an Illusion?

    Morality, in a general sense, is not necessary to survive. How could having a particular set of moral principles help you to stay alive while coexisting with others that hold different morals? A large percentage of the population in the Southeastern United States consists of conservative...
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    Religious debate game!

    I don't think that matters since everyone else has. I interpreted the original post to intend this to be a game testing rhetoric and debate skills, not a game to create a juxtaposition of sarcasm and poorly construed, unfounded arguments. If the purpose is the latter, then the mods should have...
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    Is Free Will an Illusion?

    I'm not sure this is true. Humans at the age of seven are capable of representing objects mentally by words and other symbols, can respond to objects that are remembered but not present, and understand the concept of conservation of mass, number, and volume (e.g. - the same volume in two glasses...
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    Suffering

    Ahh, thanks. That last explanation of the perception of good and evil does help me to understand your views in that context. I still have quite a few disagreements though. :mrgreen: If you believe that a god with a specific nature is not omnipotent, then the god that I can conceive is not...
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    What are the best arguments for Atheism?

    Voice of Reason, if no one has answered, I think the title of the scarecrow that the wizard granted him was Doctor of thinkology. Here are some refutations of Thomas Aquinas Five Proofs. I wrote this a long time ago and got most of these ideas from Dan Baker, a proponent of the freethought...
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    Suffering

    :: Vigil, Yes, that was one of the main points that I wanted to make. If our views differ here we can never see eye to eye on this subject. But I do believe god is in fact omnipotent in the only since that omnipotency can exist. Aristotle made very clear through formulating his law of...
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    Suffering

    :: Ceridwen, Either you didn't entirely grasp the ideas I tried to convey or you are taking my words a little out of context. I was not referring to the heart in the literal since. Satan, just like a human, was capable of choosing his way over god's way. As for the "creation" of evil...
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    Suffering

    To help the flow of my reasoning I will address Master Vigil's questions/concerns first, then Ceridwen's. But since your questions were very similar it may help you to understand my stance clearer if you read both responses. :: Master Vigil, Consider the spacetime continuum for a...
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    Suffering

    My answer to this operates under the assumptions that the "imperfection" everyone is referring to concerns moral attributes, not mental or physical qualities, and that the proceedings that result from these attributes (e.g. - the fall of satan and the proneness of humans to sin) are judged by an...
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    Suffering

    LCMS, thanks, your point is much clearer now. I thought you were arguing that an individual's own sin was the cause. Leader, I am glad we are in agreement on at least one type of suffering. As for suffering beyond human control, that is not the only explanation, but let me clarify it...
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    Suffering

    If god were perfect by his own standard then I don't see a reason why he would need to change his nature. In fact this could only be done by violating his standards, or changing his standards. The former would make him no longer perfect and the latter would not be logical since his standards...
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    Suffering

    I suggest you read the book of Job in the Bible if you have not already. The source of Job's suffering was not sin. In fact, the secondary antagonists of the story were Job's friends who claimed he was suffering as a result of his own sin. I agree that a non-theist will probably not accept a...
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    Suffering

    Omnipotence, by definition, means that his ability has no boundaries, not his nature. Referring to God as solely good does not imply that he must eliminate all evil from the universe in order to exist, merely that he is incapable of performing evil acts himself. Your statement that a...
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    What are the best arguments for Atheism?

    If it is empirical knowledge you are seeking you will never ascertain fact of God's existence or non-existence. In such a case I feel the best standard of proof is reason. This leads into the latter part of the argument - a possible conclusion you can draw from having no evidence of God...
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