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How Can Evolution Destroy Faith In God?

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
They have no credible argument for human progress if they do not emphasize health. Anyone who argues against medical progress is pushing an inhumane agenda and should not have an audience anywhere. Such an argument and accompanying agenda may be considered sociopathical and insane (Antisocial personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

Keep in mind that in order for something to be considered a psychological disorder, cultural influence needs to be taken into consideration and the behavior needs to be distressing or harmful to the person or a danger to the community. Expressing an ethical or philosophical argument is in no way a disorder.

That said, your assertion is wrapped within your own social and ethical norms. They do not hold for everyone. This is the crux (in my opinion) of the evolution vs. creation battle (and why I chose the medical science issue to focus on). Two worldviews (cultural norms, specifically) clash based on different practical purposes. Evolution serves humanity in a scientific and technological way, and creationism serves humanity in a meaningful and psychological way.

The problem is, the shared view of reality isn't always shared. Which interestingly, is where "insanity" comes from.

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They have no credible argument for human progress if they do not emphasize health.
The argument is often for psychological health; qualitative over quantitative.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Whatever it takes to get people to move from a bankrupt religious ethic to a more humane philosophy.:computer:

Still wrapped in a specific cultural norm, though! :p

But, I do agree in some ways. I just want to emphasize that just because I think someone should believe or follow a specific philosophy, that doesn't mean they should. :) (Be it evolution or medical science.)
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Darwin was a religious man throughout his life. His theory of gradual change did not affect his faith in God.
I believe you're mistaken. He started out Christian, and ended up atheist. I think this was in part a reaction to the early death of his beloved daughter.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I believe that the earth isn't any older that 6 to 8 thousand years, no matter what science tells us.

Appreciate your honesty, rare in a creationist. Good example of how YEC is basically anti-science and an attempt to reverse the enlightenment.
 
the book is stories, ways to make humans understand. it doesnt need to be taken completely literally. its the ideas behind the book, that makes it divine, if in fact, it is divine
 

Aasimar

Atheist
Another source of conviction in the existence of God, connected with the reason, and not with the feelings, impresses me as having much more weight. This follows from the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capacity of looking far backwards and far into futurity, as the result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having an intelligent mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a Theist. This conclusion was strong in my mind about the time, as far as I can remember, when I wrote the Origin of Species; and it is since that time that it has very gradually, with many fluctuations, become weaker. But then arises the doubt, can the mind of man, which has, as I fully believe, been developed from a mind as low as that possessed by the lowest animals, be trusted when it draws such grand conclusions?

I cannot pretend to throw the least light on such abstruse problems. The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us; and I for one must be content to remain an Agnostic.

- Charles Darwin, Autobiography

That help at all?
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friends,
We are in the scientific age and only believe in what is scientifically prooved.
Evolution theory is based on scientific facts BUT God is only an imagination.
Existence is a fact and so there is no use in words which do not mean the same for everyone.
Bible too has goofed up in creating the world in 7 days, Adam & Eve etc. Yes they are stories to try and make us understand the unsaidable is understood but not to be taken as facts like GOD.
Love & rgds
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I actually had this happen on another board. I was explaining/persuading the ToE to a young Christian. When he realized I was right, he realized that he had been lied to about this subject, which contributed to his questioning of his faith. When he accepted ToE, he also rejected his religion, and is an atheist today. It was quite wrenching for him, as he left behind a God to whom he prayed daily, and whom he saw as a source of comfort. YEC proponents should be warned that by bundling belief in God with an obviously false myth, they are creating a vulnerable religious faith.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Friends,
We are in the scientific age
More accurately, we are in the "Information Age"... just ask Time! :D
and only believe in what is scientifically prooved.
You don't believe in Love and Loyalty? How droll of an existence is that for you?
Evolution theory is based on scientific facts BUT God is only an imagination.
For many of us, God is an observation.
Existence is a fact and so there is no use in words which do not mean the same for everyone.
What are you trying to say here? I don't understand your meaning which is kind of ironic (doncha think???)
Bible too has goofed up in creating the world in 7 days, Adam & Eve etc.
Whet evidence do you have on this? Any eye witnesses? It appears that you believe something that has not been PROVEN scientifically.
 

Random

Well-Known Member
We are in the scientific age and only believe in what is scientifically prooved.

Ohh, guess who's bought the System message hook, line and sinker...

Evolution theory is based on scientific facts BUT God is only an imagination.

Not to a Freemason. Ask one of them about the Architect, Evolution and the Law of Nature. All freemasonic doctrines, with roots in the East...
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
I actually had this happen on another board. I was explaining/persuading the ToE to a young Christian.
Yet another proselytizing atheist! One who is proud of her accomplishments at that! :D
YEC proponents should be warned that by bundling belief in God with an obviously false myth, they are creating a vulnerable religious faith.
All religious faith is vulnerable, including atheism. It's not difficult for others to poke holes in our otherwise unassailable logic and understanding. When this happens we either adjust our paradigm or discard it all together. Nothing seems to be more compelling than the atheist turned man of God, or the opposite.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Yet another proselytizing atheist! One who is proud of her accomplishments at that! :D All religious faith is vulnerable, including atheism. It's not difficult for others to poke holes in our otherwise unassailable logic and understanding. When this happens we either adjust our paradigm or discard it all together. Nothing seems to be more compelling than the atheist turned man of God, or the opposite.

1. Do you have a problem with proselytizing? Or is it only when atheists do it that it bothers you?
2. I wasn't proselytizing anything, least of all atheism. I persuaded him of the truth, well supported by modern science, that new species arise from old ones by descent with modification plus natural selection.
3. You missed my point entirely. I wasn't trying to deconvert him, on the contrary. But because his religion was bound up with something that is obviously false, as soon as he realized this he lost his entire religious faith. YEC can pose a real risk to Christian faith. It would be smarter for Christians to be honest and accept the actual age of the earth and origin of species, than to link their religion to something which can be shown to be false.
 
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