Mary(pbuh) was a Hermaphrodite!!!

[benign6]

A "true hermaphrodite" is a HUMAN condition in which a person has BOTH testicular & ovarian tissue.

They r called male or female depending on appearence of genetalia.(Which can be very ambiguous at times.)

Most of times either testes or ovaries r NON-functional.
BUT sometimes both r functional.

Experiment on "hermaphrodite" rabbit have proven that they can become pregnant on their own.

Human cases of automatic pregnancies have been reported.
a 19-year old female hermaphrodite became pregnant on her own.
http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/53/3/40s

Pregnancy in a true hermaphrodite
MH Kim, JA Gumpel, and P Graff

True hermaphroditism is a rare form of intersexuality, and fertility in such an anomaly has been reported only once before in literature. A 19-year-old true hermaphrodite reared as a female with normal secondary sex characteristics and a karyotype of 46,XX was treated by removal of the left ovotestis. The right ovary and other pelvic organs were of a normal female. Ten months after the treatment she became pregnant. The pregnancy was complicated by a premature delivery of a 1500-g male infant that showed no congenital anomalies. Histologic findings of the ovotestis and clinical findings of a true hermaphrodite with pregnancy are presented.

another case:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2249209&dopt=Citation

Department of Pathology, University of Chicago, Illinois.
The first case (to the authors' knowledge) is reported of a true hermaphrodite with bilateral ovotestes, bilateral gonadoblastomas and dysgerminomas, a 46, XX/46,XY karyotype, and a successful pregnancy. The true hermaphroditism was diagnosed during infancy. The patient was subsequently found to have a gonadoblastoma and a microscopic dysgerminoma in the gonad diagnosed as an ovotestis and excised during infancy. The successful pregnancy occurred when the patient was 29 years old. A year later a large gonadal tumor affecting the remaining gonad was excised. The gonad was found to be an ovotestis, and the tumor was a dysgerminoma arising from a gonadoblastoma. This case further emphasizes the malignant potential of the Y chromosome in patients with abnormal gonads.

Most probably Mary(peace be upon her) was also a hermaphrodite, by will of GOD.
So she got pregnant herself. She was NOT carrying SON of God.
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Verses of Holy Quran give a hint towards this fact:-
(mother of Mary expected a SON thats why she dedicated him to God)

[Quran:3:35]"Behold! a woman(Mother of Mary) of 'Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate("MALE" tense used in Arabic) unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things."


[36] When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and God knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."
(so mother of Mary thought she was a FEMALE coz of her physical appearance, BUT GOD tells that there was more than that; a hermaphrodite !!!)

[37] Right graciously did her Lord accept her(Mary): He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (Her) chamber to see her, He found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?" She said: "From God: for God Provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure."

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Little bit of medicine(technical):-
Egg(ovum) r released into "peritoneal cavity" in females. Then "fimbriae" catch that egg into "oviduct".

Since a "Hermaphrodite" has testicular tissue inside abdomen so "sperms" r also released into abdiminal cavity. & can get caught into "oviduct" along with egg. So a pregnancy starts in a hermaphrodite.

 

[FerventGodSeeker]

A "true hermaphrodite" is a HUMAN condition in which a person has BOTH testicular & ovarian tissue.

They r called male or female depending on appearence of genetalia.(Which can be very ambiguous at times.)

Most of times either testes or ovaries r NON-functional.
BUT sometimes both r functional.

Experiment on "hermaphrodite" rabbit have proven that they can become pregnant on their own.

Human cases of automatic pregnancies have been reported.
a 19-year old female hermaphrodite became pregnant on her own.
http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/53/3/40s

another case:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2249209&dopt=Citation

Most probably Mary(peace be upon her) was also a hermaphrodite, by will of GOD.
So she got pregnant herself. She was NOT carrying SON of God.




Verses of Holy Quran give a hint towards this fact:-
(mother of Mary expected a SON thats why she dedicated him to God)


[Quran:3:35]"Behold! a woman(Mother of Mary) of 'Imran said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate("MALE" tense used in Arabic) unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things."


[36] When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and God knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."
(so mother of Mary thought she was a FEMALE coz of her physical appearance, BUT GOD tells that there was more than that; a hermaphrodite !!!)

[37] Right graciously did her Lord accept her(Mary): He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (Her) chamber to see her, He found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?" She said: "From God: for God Provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure."

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Little bit of medicine(technical):-
Egg(ovum) r released into "peritoneal cavity" in females. Then "fimbriae" catch that egg into "oviduct".

Since a "Hermaphrodite" has testicular tissue inside abdomen so "sperms" r also released into abdiminal cavity. & can get caught into "oviduct" along with egg. So a pregnancy starts in a hermaphrodite.

It's unfortunate that you can't just admit "It's a miracle" and move on. Instead you need to come up with all these ridiculous assumptions about Mary having male genitalia and impregnating herself to mar the miracle of the Virgin Birth.

 

[Mike182]

you know, with Paul ranting about how bad and unnatural gays are, among his other "this is unholy" rants, i think he would have said something if Jesus' mother had both sets of privates.

 

[dawny0826]

It's unfortunate that you can't just admit "It's a miracle" and move on. Instead you need to come up with all these ridiculous assumptions about Mary having male genitalia and impregnating herself to mar the miracle of the Virgin Birth.

Agreed.

Further, posting articles which suggest that hermaphrodites can impregnante themselves doesn't prove that Mary was a hermaphrodite and impregnanted herself.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

What on earth are you talking baout benign6? Aren't you supposed to be muslim?

 

[Jeremiah]

:biglaugh:

 

[Buttercup]

I realize it's gets slow sometimes on RF for threads to respond to.....but this takes the prize for the weirdest-biggest stretch thread for at least this week!

 

[Storm]

This is so pathetic...... :thud:

 

[Azakel]

I realize it's gets slow sometimes on RF for threads to respond to.....but this takes the prize for the weirdest-biggest stretch thread for at least this week!

Now here's your trophy(everyone run)........

This is so pathetic...... :thud:

Agree.

 

[Runt]

As far as I can tell, these abstracts both mention the hermaphrodite becoming pregnant, but do NOT mention the hermaphrodite impregnating herself.

Now, I vaguely recall discussing hermaphroditic conditions in all (measily three) of my biology classes and one of my (measily two) sociology classes, and all of the professors and textbooks mentioning that it is possible for hermaphrodites to carry two completely different sets of somatic DNA (sometimes by "engulfing" a twin extremely early in the course of fetal development and somehow ending up with various organs which, genetically, technically belong to the now non-existent twin despite being fully functional in the remaining adult twin). I seem to recall the genetically-different tissue being located at the center of those individuals, however, so I'm not sure whether it's found in the sex organs...

I'm wondering if a "true hermaphrodite" is genetically male and female (and how precisely this happens, when all of the "alternate" combinations of sex DNA I know of still produce a male or female child---i.e. with the corresponding sex organs) or merely physically male and female (which, if I recall correctly, occasionally results during fetal development from certain tissues not completely disappearing in genetically-female infants the way they normally do during fetal development).

I'm also curious about the zygote that would develop in the case of a hermaphrodite somehow impregnating herself. I assume, due to gene recombination, that the zygote would NOT be a perfect clone of the mother, but would instead possess her genes (in a new and creative combination). If she is not genetically a hermaphrodite---if she ONLY has XX chromosomes in her body and no XY---I doubt she is capable of producing a male child... (meaning unless you want to argue that Jesus wasn't truly male, Mary was not that kind of a hermaphrodite).

Regardless of whether or not that kind of pregnancy is even possible, I think it rather ridiculous to argue that Jesus was born of a hermaphrodite.

What on earth are you talking baout benign6? Aren't you supposed to be muslim?

It sounds like Benign is trying to disprove the notion of a divine Christ while at the same time preserving the notion of his virgin birth. Although... for what it's worth...well.... if Mary was a hermaphrodite and impregnated herself, it sounds like a very interesting kind of sex occurred somewhere along the line.... Although I suppose it could just be considered masturbation rather than sex........

 

[logician]

Don't worry yourself, Mary never existed, and neither did Jesus. Virgin births were common themes in many ancient religions. Of course, true virgin births don't happen amongst homo sapeins.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

The closest stretch I would try scientifically is the idea of parthenogenesis. Virgin births aren't really as weird as we think. Komodo dragons do it, as well as some species of whip-tail lizards. In true parthenogenesis the female will always birth a male child. In Maryam's case she did in fact birth a male. If we want to go a science route that's the biggest stretch I could plausibly make. There is no need to make her out to be a hermaphrodite. There's nothing wrong with hermaphrodite's I just don't believe Mary was one.

 

[Azakel]

The closest stretch I would try scientifically is the idea of parthenogenesis. Virgin births aren't really as weird as we think. Komodo dragons do it, as well as some species of whip-tail lizards. In true parthenogenesis the female will always birth a male child. In Maryam's case she did in fact birth a male. If we want to go a science route that's the biggest stretch I could plausibly make. There is no need to make her out to be a hermaphrodite. There's nothing wrong with hermaphrodite's I just don't believe Mary was one.

So Mary was a reptile? That makes everything make sense.....I'm off!

 

[benign6]

It's unfortunate that you can't just admit "It's a miracle" and move on. Instead you need to come up with all these ridiculous assumptions about Mary having male genitalia and impregnating herself to mar the miracle of the Virgin Birth.

you know, with Paul ranting about how bad and unnatural gays are, among his other "this is unholy" rants, i think he would have said something if Jesus' mother had both sets of privates.

What on earth are you talking baout benign6? Aren't you supposed to be muslim?

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=37455860&postcount=25


islamic belief is just that Jesus was born miracuously without male intervension. & as i said in previous post
http://www.christianforums.com/showp...09&postcount=9
that many things that were MIRACOLOUS in past r well known science NOW.

 

[Sahar]

This is ridiculous!!

 

[Blindinglight]

There are plenty of hermaphrodite species found in nature. A very common one is a worm. A true hermaphrodite does not have to be human.

 

[ChristineES]

If nothing else, at least it gave us a good laugh.

 

[goraya15]

I don't know why this is so funny for everyone or so unbelievable to others. I believe someone summed it up in a post before that whatever seemed to be a miracle in the past, is proved by science in the future. A miracle is just God manipulating preset Laws of Nature in favour of his chosen servants, Laws that humans don't necessarily know about. It is perfectly possible that Mary was a hermaphrodite, since it is also a documented anomoly in human history. Is it still not a miracle that, if she was a hermaphrodite, that she was able to produce a perfectly healthy child without the agency of a man, and that man grew to be a prophet of God?

Besides, even if she wasn't a hermaphrodite, I'm sure science will be able to hypothesize about a dozen other ways she was able to get pregnant without a man that would at that time seem like a true miracle. In my eyes, even if proved by science, it is still a miracle. What are the chances of a virgin birth with the son becoming a prophet of God?

 

[Sahar]

Human cases of automatic pregnancies have been reported.
a 19-year old female hermaphrodite became pregnant on her own.
http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/cont...tract/53/3/40s

Pregnancy in a true hermaphrodite

MH Kim, JA Gumpel, and P Graff

True hermaphroditism is a rare form of intersexuality, and fertility in such an anomaly has been reported only once before in literature. A 19-year-old true hermaphrodite reared as a female with normal secondary sex characteristics and a karyotype of 46,XX was treated by removal of the left ovotestis. The right ovary and other pelvic organs were of a normal female. Ten months after the treatment she became pregnant. The pregnancy was complicated by a premature delivery of a 1500-g male infant that showed no congenital anomalies. Histologic findings of the ovotestis and clinical findings of a true hermaphrodite with pregnancy are presented.

The cases that you cited don't have anything to do with "automatic" or "on their own" pregnancy. What happened that they have ovaries with normal ovulation and have normal uterus. They got pregnant when their ova were fertilized by sperms like what happens with any normal female.

 

[sojourner]

I told you that 'shrooms would mess up your brain.