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A Moral Dilemma For Pro-Choice Liberals?
- Thread starter FerventGodSeeker
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Nanda
Polyanna
I have no such qualms - it's not any of my business why the woman chooses to get the abortion, any more than it's any of my business if she chooses to get an abortion in the first place. I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice; ie. I don't feel comfortable making someone else's decision for them.
FerventGodSeeker
Believer
Are you pro-diversity? Do you have a problem with a woman choosing to have an abortion on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, intelligence, etc?
Nanda
Polyanna
You're missing the point - it's not up to me why a woman chooses to have an abortion. I'm sure there are a lot of reasons women have abortions that I wouldn't personally agree with, but it's not for me to make their choices for them.
Polaris
Active Member
Yeah, but there's got to be some limit. I'm sure you are against an adult's "choice" to kill another adult, right? At what point do legal punishments need to enter the picture? So you think women should have the "choice" to abort a baby for any reason without any legal repercussions?
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
All I see is smoke being blown in the way of reproductive rights. 
I don't agree with women aborting a fetus for any reason, but that has no bearing on what should be legislated. If every women entering a Planned Parenthood Clinic wanted their son removed because a "gay gene" was found, so be it. It's their right. I have a feeling with most mothers not seeking abortion, there won't be any danger for our diverse country.
As for "Dr." Laura, where does she have room to comment about other women? Her son needs serious psychiatric help.
I don't agree with women aborting a fetus for any reason, but that has no bearing on what should be legislated. If every women entering a Planned Parenthood Clinic wanted their son removed because a "gay gene" was found, so be it. It's their right. I have a feeling with most mothers not seeking abortion, there won't be any danger for our diverse country.As for "Dr." Laura, where does she have room to comment about other women? Her son needs serious psychiatric help.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I agree that abortion is down to the mother...provided it is within the law of the land.
It would not be my choice... but the choice is not mine to make.
It would not be my choice... but the choice is not mine to make.
Polaris
Active Member
Just curious, at what point is it not their "right" to kill their developing child?
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
When it's expelled from the mother's body.
Polaris
Active Member
So in your view is the child in the womb not a living person with a right to live? Why does the fact that it is out of the belly make any difference? The only difference is that it begins to use it's own lungs to breath air and its mouth to consume food. Other than that is it not the exact same child?
Draka
Wonder Woman
I'm pro-choice, but with limitations. I absolutely do not agree with terminating a pregnancy that has reached past about 22 weeks along. As it has been shown that a fetus born at that time CAN survive. Before that it's pretty much impossible as it is not developed enough to survive outside of the womb. If you are past that time period then I believe the fetus should be born and given up for adoption if you don't want it that badly now (though you should have thought of that earlier).
I believe in aborting a fetus if it is shown that it will have some severe impairment or brain damage or disease that will drastically shorten its life or cause a life of nothing but pain.
I do not agree with aborting a fetus because it's a girl and you wanted a son. Or it will have blue eyes and you wanted brown. Or the child will be mentally handicapped and you wanted a genius. You wanted this child, you are responsible for it whether it is a ditsy blonde or a geeky comic book loving trekie.
I am pro-choice because I believe that abortion should be legal for those who need it. I am not anyone else's keeper. I may adamently not agree with the reasons they are getting the abortion, but I don't control their body, nor should anyone else in that regard. I know I wouldn't want anyone in charge of my body but me.
I believe in aborting a fetus if it is shown that it will have some severe impairment or brain damage or disease that will drastically shorten its life or cause a life of nothing but pain.
I do not agree with aborting a fetus because it's a girl and you wanted a son. Or it will have blue eyes and you wanted brown. Or the child will be mentally handicapped and you wanted a genius. You wanted this child, you are responsible for it whether it is a ditsy blonde or a geeky comic book loving trekie.
I am pro-choice because I believe that abortion should be legal for those who need it. I am not anyone else's keeper. I may adamently not agree with the reasons they are getting the abortion, but I don't control their body, nor should anyone else in that regard. I know I wouldn't want anyone in charge of my body but me.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
I don't want to get too off topic, but no, I don't believe a fetus is a "person" any more than a corpse; it's a fetus. The child may well be living, but at the moment it is inside the mother. She has complete control over what happens inside of her body.
I used to think of myself as an ani-abortion liberal, but I've changed my mind over the past few weeks.
Nanda
Polyanna
No. If abortion is open to everyone, then it doesn't matter what the reason is - it's the woman's right to choose, and it's not for me to make moral judgements about her decision. If you're pro-life, as I suspect you are, then no reason would be acceptable justification to you, so why differentiate?
Yes, I am. Aldults are not fetuses.
Yes, I do. It's called being pro-choice.
JayHawes
Active Member
Those who advocate "pro-choice" really dont care for that life of the child, they would however ....if they had to switch places with them, and die in their place.
There should be no idea of what we call "pro-choice"...if you dont want to have a child, dont have sex, if you do have sex deal with the results.
There should be no idea of what we call "pro-choice"...if you dont want to have a child, dont have sex, if you do have sex deal with the results.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
Ross Perot had two fancy words for what you're doing: mud slinging.
Why are you talking at us instead of addressing the issue itself? Abortion is no more murder than capital punishment. Both are legal. I'm against the latter, but you won't see me calling proponents "murderers." I don't go around calling anti-abortion activists anti-women.
The only moral dilemma pro-choice liberals face is staying nice while having to hear such hate speech.
Why are you talking at us instead of addressing the issue itself? Abortion is no more murder than capital punishment. Both are legal. I'm against the latter, but you won't see me calling proponents "murderers." I don't go around calling anti-abortion activists anti-women.
The only moral dilemma pro-choice liberals face is staying nice while having to hear such hate speech.
JayHawes
Active Member
What the government says is legal doesn't make it morally correct.
Definitions of murder on the Web:
Revelation of Peter
1:25. And near that place I saw another strait place into which the gore and the filth of those who were being punished ran down and became there as it were a lake: and there sat women having the gore up to their necks, and over against them sat many children who were born to them out of due time, crying; and there came forth from them sparks of fire and smote the women in the eyes: and these were the accursed who conceived and caused abortion.
There is a Legal and Moral side to things. Let's not forget that our morals codes-from the bible are the origins of our constitution, both in the U.S. and even the U.K. and parts of Europe.
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Definitions of murder on the Web:
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- kill intentionally and with premeditation;
- unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being
Revelation of Peter
1:25. And near that place I saw another strait place into which the gore and the filth of those who were being punished ran down and became there as it were a lake: and there sat women having the gore up to their necks, and over against them sat many children who were born to them out of due time, crying; and there came forth from them sparks of fire and smote the women in the eyes: and these were the accursed who conceived and caused abortion.
There is a Legal and Moral side to things. Let's not forget that our morals codes-from the bible are the origins of our constitution, both in the U.S. and even the U.K. and parts of Europe.
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Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
Since you chose to bring up our country's foundation, I believe I'm obligated to inform you induced abortion was both legally and socially accepted up until the mid-19th century.
The verse you quoted has nothing to do with the medical practice of abortion. In fact, not a single line in Bible is relevant to the discussion, both for the reason that we're a secular country, and because the Bible only passes judgement on men and women who force the mother to go through a miscarriage.
Should I feel morally bankrupt by now?
Polaris
Active Member
So you respect the life of a mass murderer more than you do the life of an innocent unborn child? That's just scary.
JayHawes
Active Member
There is no real reson to choose abortion apart of the cause of medical reasons. However pro-choice is not based on medical decisions, but rather lifestyle decisions.
I wonder, when judgement accurs how will yout tell God, the origion of life why it is alright to "kill", "murder" or end the life of a baby. What is one justifiable cause?
And dont try to yank my chain saying a mother might die during child labor....the majority of abortion does not aoccur becuase of this reason.
I wonder, when judgement accurs how will yout tell God, the origion of life why it is alright to "kill", "murder" or end the life of a baby. What is one justifiable cause?
And dont try to yank my chain saying a mother might die during child labor....the majority of abortion does not aoccur becuase of this reason.