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A Bible Study - Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians Only
- Thread starter FerventGodSeeker
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James the Persian
Dreptcredincios Crestin
angellous_evangellous said:
What is it about Ezekiel 23 that you want to discuss (and why that particular verse)? I'm afraid that I can't see anything particularly controversial in that chapter and it's quite clear that the whole thing is an extended metaphor. What is it about the Hebrew grammar that bothers you? I'm afraid that I know next to nothing of Hebrew, but as we don't use the Hebew Old Testament, I have no particular need to.
James
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Alright we need to get this going. It took us 60+ posts to clarify and we need a chapter/verse that has always puzzeled you in particular and can make for a good discussion.
I start it off with Exodus Chapter 5 (The first confrontation with Pharaoh):
1 After that, Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel: Let my people go, that they may celebrate a feast to me in the desert." 2 Pharaoh answered, "Who is the LORD, that I should heed his plea to let Israel go? I do not know the LORD; even if I did, I would not let Israel go." 3 They replied, "The God of the Hebrews has sent us word. Let us go a three days' journey in the desert, that we may offer sacrifice to the LORD, our God; otherwise he will punish us with pestilence or the sword." 4 The king of Egypt answered them, "What do you mean, Moses and Aaron, by taking the people away from their work? Off to your labor! 5 Look how numerous the people of the land are already," continued Pharaoh, "and yet you would give them rest from their labor!" 6 1 That very day Pharaoh gave the taskmasters and foremen of the people this order: 7 2 "You shall no longer supply the people with straw for their brickmaking as you have previously done. Let them go and gather straw themselves! 8 Yet you shall levy upon them the same quota of bricks as they have previously made. Do not reduce it. They are lazy; that is why they are crying, 'Let us go to offer sacrifice to our God.' 9 Increase the work for the men, so that they keep their mind on it and pay no attention to lying words." 10 So the taskmasters and foremen of the people went out and told them, "Thus says Pharaoh: I will not provide you with straw. 11 Go and gather the straw yourselves, wherever you can find it. Yet there must not be the slightest reduction in your work." 12 The people, then, scattered throughout the land of Egypt to gather stubble for straw, 13 while the taskmasters kept driving them on, saying, "Finish your work, the same daily amount as when your straw was supplied." 14 The foremen of the Israelites, whom the taskmasters of Pharaoh had placed over them, were beaten, and were asked, "Why have you not completed your prescribed amount of bricks yesterday and today, as before?" 15 Then the Israelite foremen came and made this appeal to Pharaoh: "Why do you treat your servants in this manner? 16 No straw is supplied to your servants, and still we are told to make bricks. Look how your servants are beaten! It is you who are at fault." 17 Pharaoh answered, "It is just because you are lazy that you keep saying, 'Let us go and offer sacrifice to the LORD.' 18 Off to work, then! Straw shall not be provided for you, but you must still deliver your quota of bricks." 19 The Israelite foremen knew they were in a sorry plight, having been told not to reduce the daily amount of bricks. 20 When, therefore, they left Pharaoh and came upon Moses and Aaron, who were waiting to meet them, 21 they said to them, "The LORD look upon you and judge! You have brought us into bad odor with Pharaoh and his servants and have put a sword in their hands to slay us." 22 Moses again had recourse to the LORD and said, "Lord, why do you treat this people so badly? And why did you send me on such a mission? 23 Ever since I went to Pharaoh to speak in your name, he has maltreated this people of yours, and you have done nothing to rescue them."
I start it off with Exodus Chapter 5 (The first confrontation with Pharaoh):
1 After that, Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel: Let my people go, that they may celebrate a feast to me in the desert." 2 Pharaoh answered, "Who is the LORD, that I should heed his plea to let Israel go? I do not know the LORD; even if I did, I would not let Israel go." 3 They replied, "The God of the Hebrews has sent us word. Let us go a three days' journey in the desert, that we may offer sacrifice to the LORD, our God; otherwise he will punish us with pestilence or the sword." 4 The king of Egypt answered them, "What do you mean, Moses and Aaron, by taking the people away from their work? Off to your labor! 5 Look how numerous the people of the land are already," continued Pharaoh, "and yet you would give them rest from their labor!" 6 1 That very day Pharaoh gave the taskmasters and foremen of the people this order: 7 2 "You shall no longer supply the people with straw for their brickmaking as you have previously done. Let them go and gather straw themselves! 8 Yet you shall levy upon them the same quota of bricks as they have previously made. Do not reduce it. They are lazy; that is why they are crying, 'Let us go to offer sacrifice to our God.' 9 Increase the work for the men, so that they keep their mind on it and pay no attention to lying words." 10 So the taskmasters and foremen of the people went out and told them, "Thus says Pharaoh: I will not provide you with straw. 11 Go and gather the straw yourselves, wherever you can find it. Yet there must not be the slightest reduction in your work." 12 The people, then, scattered throughout the land of Egypt to gather stubble for straw, 13 while the taskmasters kept driving them on, saying, "Finish your work, the same daily amount as when your straw was supplied." 14 The foremen of the Israelites, whom the taskmasters of Pharaoh had placed over them, were beaten, and were asked, "Why have you not completed your prescribed amount of bricks yesterday and today, as before?" 15 Then the Israelite foremen came and made this appeal to Pharaoh: "Why do you treat your servants in this manner? 16 No straw is supplied to your servants, and still we are told to make bricks. Look how your servants are beaten! It is you who are at fault." 17 Pharaoh answered, "It is just because you are lazy that you keep saying, 'Let us go and offer sacrifice to the LORD.' 18 Off to work, then! Straw shall not be provided for you, but you must still deliver your quota of bricks." 19 The Israelite foremen knew they were in a sorry plight, having been told not to reduce the daily amount of bricks. 20 When, therefore, they left Pharaoh and came upon Moses and Aaron, who were waiting to meet them, 21 they said to them, "The LORD look upon you and judge! You have brought us into bad odor with Pharaoh and his servants and have put a sword in their hands to slay us." 22 Moses again had recourse to the LORD and said, "Lord, why do you treat this people so badly? And why did you send me on such a mission? 23 Ever since I went to Pharaoh to speak in your name, he has maltreated this people of yours, and you have done nothing to rescue them."
Quiddity
UndertheInfluenceofGiants
First question:
In Exodus 5:2, Pharaoh states, I do no know the Lord. What does this mean? In particular the word know. What does this double meaning suggest about Pharaohs rejection of the covenant relationship Egypt had with Israel?
Second question:
In Exodus 5:3 Moses is called "God of the Hebrews". What does mean to Pharaoh? How does Moses understand this after God himself called him a "god amongst his people and Aaron will like a prophet"? (not exact words). <---I need to find where I remember this from...
This should get us started.
In Exodus 5:2, Pharaoh states, I do no know the Lord. What does this mean? In particular the word know. What does this double meaning suggest about Pharaohs rejection of the covenant relationship Egypt had with Israel?
Second question:
In Exodus 5:3 Moses is called "God of the Hebrews". What does mean to Pharaoh? How does Moses understand this after God himself called him a "god amongst his people and Aaron will like a prophet"? (not exact words). <---I need to find where I remember this from...
This should get us started.
I think 5:3 is Moses and Aaron speaking...
5:4 supports this "The king of Egypt answered them, "What do you mean, Moses and Aaron," the 'them' is referring to the speakers of 5:3, the answer of Pharoah is to Moses and Aaron.
Arrow
Member
First question:
In Exodus 5:2, Pharaoh states, “I do no know the Lord.” What does this mean? In particular the word “know”. What does this double meaning suggest about Pharaoh’s rejection of the covenant relationship Egypt had with Israel?
What do you mean by a double meaning? I would just like clarification please.
Second question:
In Exodus 5:3 Moses is called "God of the Hebrews". What does mean to Pharaoh? How does Moses understand this after God himself called him a "god amongst his people and Aaron will like a prophet"? (not exact words). <---I need to find where I remember this from...
God has put Moses as an ambassador for Himself. Therefore the God of the Hebrews is still God, but at that time Moses was the one God was using to represent Himself. Exodus 3:10-22 should shed some light on the subject.
Also, i would like to join the Bible study, and of course i am a Christian.
I think that it is awesome that everyone is doing this. Thank you guys for starting this thread.
In Exodus 5:2, Pharaoh states, “I do no know the Lord.” What does this mean? In particular the word “know”. What does this double meaning suggest about Pharaoh’s rejection of the covenant relationship Egypt had with Israel?
What do you mean by a double meaning? I would just like clarification please.
Second question:
In Exodus 5:3 Moses is called "God of the Hebrews". What does mean to Pharaoh? How does Moses understand this after God himself called him a "god amongst his people and Aaron will like a prophet"? (not exact words). <---I need to find where I remember this from...
God has put Moses as an ambassador for Himself. Therefore the God of the Hebrews is still God, but at that time Moses was the one God was using to represent Himself. Exodus 3:10-22 should shed some light on the subject.
Also, i would like to join the Bible study, and of course i am a Christian.
I think that it is awesome that everyone is doing this. Thank you guys for starting this thread.
FerventGodSeeker
Believer
Here we go again...Sonic and I would like to start this up again. Lots of time was spent in discussing who could/could not post in this thread when it first started, so if you have a question please go back to earlier pages of the thread to see if your question has been answered. If you have a question about whether or not you should post that wasn't answered earlier, PM me.
If you'd like to participate, please post your idea for discussion. It can be a book of the Bible, a specific passage, or even a Biblical topic. Thanks all, hope to hear from you soon!
If you'd like to participate, please post your idea for discussion. It can be a book of the Bible, a specific passage, or even a Biblical topic. Thanks all, hope to hear from you soon!
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
FGS,
Before you posted the last post was over nine months ago.
Before you posted the last post was over nine months ago.
FerventGodSeeker
Believer
I know! Crazy, eh? I'm surprised I could still find the thread
Special Revelation
Active Member
Now, here's a Bible Study I would love to participate in. I don't mean to offend you Beckysoup; the Apostle Paul is the scapegoat. Let's study the book of Romans together since it is the central book in regards to the Gospel of God. Check out the thesis statement of Romans 1:16- 17.
Romans 1:16-17:
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
Special Revelation
Active Member
Read the universal creeds then decide! I like historical creeds and confessions, and I'm a sola scriptura type guy.
Special Revelation
Active Member
I thought this is a Bible Study?
FerventGodSeeker
Believer
SR, you're responding to issues long since resolved (notice the dates that they were posted in the upper right hand corner). Thanks for your attempts, but it's fine. Romans would be fun, it will definitely be put into consideration.
Special Revelation
Active Member
Sorry for the unnecessary postings. You are making the sola sciptura guys drool with foam like a rabbit animal. I invited *Paul* and few others too!
FerventGodSeeker
Believer
Sonic247
Well-Known Member
Well I think a good way to have a Bible study is for everyone to read the same chapter, and whatever the person is most impressed with in the chapter is what they talk about. And everyone has a turn to say what they thought about the chapter. How about Romans ch. 7. Well I have to go now though- peace
(if that doesn't work out maybe everyone could just say what their favorite verse is and why.)
(if that doesn't work out maybe everyone could just say what their favorite verse is and why.)
FerventGodSeeker
Believer
That would be fine by me. We can take SR's suggestion and do Romans, but let's start in Chapter 1.