Your question was about religious people; not those following Christ's example.
I can control my television and internet, I cannot control my neighbor.
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Worldview
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nPeace
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I gave an example before.
Think of it like a person who is headed one direction - making particular decisions.
The person is going that direction, say perhaps because he does not like colored people. He does not like too much sun. He want to have access to clean water... all because of his worldview which has been shaped by the various ideas, opinions, views... he has.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Do all religious people come to your door? Can you name them?
Well, why would you want to control you neighbor? Wouldn't that be imposing your views on them?
Does your neighbor barge into your home? Don't you have to open the door for them? Yo lost me on this one.
Religious people come to my door for the same reason I come to theirs; we’re friends.
Just for the record; most of my friends are religious (christian) but they aren’t the type that impose their views on other people as described in my response. However, I have seen religious people who do this. I’ve never had it happen to me, but I have seen it happen.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Can you explain what you mean? I'm surrounded by neighbors who are not Jewish, and none of their beliefs effect me.
It only works if you do things that offend your neighbors
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Can you give me an example? I'm not sure what "it" is that only works if you do things that offend your neighbors.
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nPeace
Veteran Member
That last bit... Are you implying that no one should come to your door, unless they are your friends, or family?
What about during political campaigns.... Should persons refrain from bringing any message to you? Do you consider those persons, "imposing their views on you"?
Should the door to door salesman refrain from imposing views on you, because he gives you a free leaflet?
What do you mean by, "the type that impose their views on other people"?
Do you mean they grab you by the throat, and demand you listen to them... or else?
What... grab people by the neck, and tell them they must do xyz, or else?
For some religious people, not going to church; especially not believing in God is doing things that offend them. The question was; why do atheists care about what Christians believe. My response is if atheists care about what Christians believe, sometimes it's because too many Christians judge other people according to their Christian beliefs
A stranger going door to door bringing a message is a different situation than a neighbor going to your door bringing you the same message over and over
There are religious people who will ask which church you go to in the same way they might ask where do you work, or what’s your favorite sports team. If your response is that you don’t go to church, they will insist on an explanation of why, and if you explain you aren’t a religious person, they will believe (which causes them to act) like they are morally superior to you. Now are all Christians that way? Of course not; those are only the outliners; but then not all atheists go around caring what Christians believe either; those are only the outliners.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Kfox: I am not personally an atheist. I very much believe in God. But I think I can understand why atheists are concerned. To them, belief in a God that cannot be proven is the equivalent of believing in leprechauns or reptilian shapeshifters. In order for society to function well, we need to have a citizenry that has a bit of common sense, and doesn't give itself over to superstition. The fact that there really is an actual minority who believe in just the craziest things without evidence truly is a concern. Atheists simply include theists in that bunch.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Sure, it's a given that some religious people are jerks that want to penalize you for not having the "right beliefs," just as there are secular people that are that way. But this behavior doesn't effect YOU or what YOU believe. When someone is a jerk like that, you just write them off, minimize your contact with them, and continue to go about your life.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Is it really that big of a deal to you if someone asks you what church you attend? I'm finding it really hard to understand exactly what your difficulty is. It kind of sort of seems like you have low tolerance for people who may not be the most thoughtful neighbors. You can't change them. But you can change you. Let it roll off your back.
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Is it really that big of a deal to you if someone asks you what church you attend? I'm finding it really hard to understand exactly what your difficulty is. It kind of sort of seems like you have low tolerance for people who may not be the most thoughtful neighbors. You can't change them. But you can change you. Let it roll off your back. This sort of thing is just part of life, and we learn to live with it. It's not really a big enough thing to let it ruin your day.
Heyo
Veteran Member
For me it's not what you believe, but how much that believe informs your actions and how confident/delusional you are in your beliefs.
Everybody has a right to be wrong but not the right to do wrong. I won't debate your beliefs, I just debate truth claims. So, when you say "it is a fact that the Earth is 6000 years old" (and that fact needs to be taught in science class), the heat is on. When you say "I believe that the Earth is 6000 years old", my response is "I don't" (and in that case I might give my reasons).
I don't speak for all atheists (nor for all Agnostics) but I wish I would. I don't have to convince you that your beliefs are wrong (and by extension, that mine are right), as long as you still adhere to the laws of the land and, to an extend, common ethics.
My point was; when such a person is your neighbor, it does effect your life.
I never suggested it to be something that ruins my day, the person I was responding to before you entered the conversation was comparing such a neighbor to the internet, the TV, or a door to door salesman who has views I don't share. That is why I responded the way I did; not because it bothered me.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Since Christ instructed his followers not to judge others - Matthew 7:1-3 - they certainly have no business doing that. Human beings are judgemental though, that’s hardly a trait confined to religious people.
Happy birthday btw
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Oh please. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Do you know I have an upstairs neighbor who drives me nuts because he clearly weighs a lot and takes no care to walk softly, but literally shakes my apartment, even at 2 AM. That effects me far more than what you are talking about, and yet I just write it off as part of life. I'm sorry, I'm not at all sympathetic towards you.
I never said it was the only thing that affects your life, the fact that you admitted it drives you nuts shows this neighbor's heavy walking does affect your life. BTW I never asked for your sympathy, I was only making a point.