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Broken sleep

The Sum of Awe

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I’ve found that having an alarm for 2:30am and then telling “hey siri, set timer for 30 mins” and then “30 minutes” and then “20 minutes” (in different intervals up until 4am-ish) is slightly easier than just waking up to the first alarm.

But I’m wondering if that’s healthy or not. It’s a broken 7 hours of sleep
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
I’ve found that having an alarm for 2:30am and then telling “hey siri, set timer for 30 mins” and then “30 minutes” and then “20 minutes” (in different intervals up until 4am-ish) is slightly easier than just waking up to the first alarm.

But I’m wondering if that’s healthy or not. It’s a broken 7 hours of sleep

I don't know the medical answer but if it works for you then I'm not sure what the problem would be.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
Continuous sleep is a better quality sleep than broken sleep, and the latter may have implications on your health.

The implications of interrupted sleep can be significant with impacts not just on sleep quality but also numerous aspects of individual health.​
People who have interrupted sleep tend not to get enough overall sleep. Research has found a strong correlation between sleep continuity and total sleep time Trusted SourceNational Library of Medicine, Biotech InformationThe National Center for Biotechnology Information advances science and health by providing access to biomedical and genomic information.View Source, indicating that people with disturbed sleep are at a higher risk of not sleeping enough hours. Not surprisingly, problems with sleep maintenance are a frequent complaint among people with insomnia. Insufficient sleep can cause daytime sleepiness that detracts from school or work performance and heightens the risk of accidents while driving or operating machinery.​
Even when it doesn’t reduce sleep quantity, a mounting body of evidence points to the harm of interrupted sleep Trusted SourceNational Library of Medicine, Biotech InformationThe National Center for Biotechnology Information advances science and health by providing access to biomedical and genomic information.View Source. During healthy sleep, a person progresses through a series of sleep cycles, each of which is made up of distinct sleep stages. Repeated interruptions and awakenings can disrupt that process Trusted SourceNational Library of Medicine, Biotech InformationThe National Center for Biotechnology Information advances science and health by providing access to biomedical and genomic information.View Source, causing far-reaching effects of disrupted sleep on brain function, physical health, and emotional well-being.​
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I’ve found that having an alarm for 2:30am and then telling “hey siri, set timer for 30 mins” and then “30 minutes” and then “20 minutes” (in different intervals up until 4am-ish) is slightly easier than just waking up to the first alarm.

But I’m wondering if that’s healthy or not. It’s a broken 7 hours of sleep

That seems indicative that you are not getting enough sleep in the first place. Can you sleep a bit longer than 7 hours?
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
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That seems indicative that you are not getting enough sleep in the first place. Can you sleep a bit longer than 7 hours?
For some people, 7 hours sleep is plenty. I never sleep more than 7 hours. I turn in at around 9pm and wake up automatically at 4am.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
For some people, 7 hours sleep is plenty. I never sleep more than 7 hours. I turn in at around 9pm and wake up automatically at 4am.

I generally sleep around 7 hours too. It is the fact he feels the "need" to keep waking up more than an hour in advance that worries me.

Forcing myself to sleep less than what I needed always entailed having a really hard time waking up to an alarm, to the point I have done something similar: setting my alarm to wake me up three times in my final 30 minutes of sleep. The first alarm would feel even worse, but the last one felt a lot better.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
I’ve found that having an alarm for 2:30am and then telling “hey siri, set timer for 30 mins” and then “30 minutes” and then “20 minutes” (in different intervals up until 4am-ish) is slightly easier than just waking up to the first alarm.

But I’m wondering if that’s healthy or not. It’s a broken 7 hours of sleep
You get fewer hours of REM sleep if you do that. Yeah, not as good quality.
 

The Sum of Awe

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That seems indicative that you are not getting enough sleep in the first place. Can you sleep a bit longer than 7 hours?
Yes I probably could try. I have to get into the habit of going to bed at 730pm for a full 8 hours though, for work. That’s what sucks. Even going to bed at 730 I would have to fall asleep immediately to get a full 8 hours
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I’ve found that having an alarm for 2:30am and then telling “hey siri, set timer for 30 mins” and then “30 minutes” and then “20 minutes” (in different intervals up until 4am-ish) is slightly easier than just waking up to the first alarm.

But I’m wondering if that’s healthy or not. It’s a broken 7 hours of sleep
Why on earth are you doing this? It's a terrible idea and a recipe for utter exhaustion. No wonder you have difficulty waking up when the alarm goes off - you must be chronically sleep-deprived.

If you have difficulty waking when the alarm goes, you probably are not getting enough sleep. So you need to adjust your evening routine to allow you to get off to sleep early enough. Do you have to get up routinely at 0400? That is not usual. But if you do, then you need to be going to sleep at 2000 the previous evening, so eat at 1700-1800 and wind down from then until bed time.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Yes I probably could try. I have to get into the habit of going to bed at 730pm for a full 8 hours though, for work. That’s what sucks. Even going to bed at 730 I would have to fall asleep immediately to get a full 8 hours

This is the reason why it is hard to find people interested in working in jobs where they need to wake up at 4 AM. It entails not just waking up at 4 AM, but also getting to bed quite early too.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I’ve found that having an alarm for 2:30am and then telling “hey siri, set timer for 30 mins” and then “30 minutes” and then “20 minutes” (in different intervals up until 4am-ish) is slightly easier than just waking up to the first alarm.

But I’m wondering if that’s healthy or not. It’s a broken 7 hours of sleep
If you have trouble waking up, you might have set your alarm clock to a time when you are in deep sleep. A sleep cycle is usually about 90 minutes. I.e. you should try to set it to 7 1/2 hours after you fall asleep. (Or 6, 4 1/2 or 3 hours.)
Your rhythm may be not exactly 90 minutes so you might want to experiment.
There are also alarm clocks and apps that try to measure your sleep and you can set a time frame in which you will be woken when your sleep is the lightest.
It might also be a good idea to have a power nap during the day and go to bed later for a six hour sleep.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I’ve found that having an alarm for 2:30am and then telling “hey siri, set timer for 30 mins” and then “30 minutes” and then “20 minutes” (in different intervals up until 4am-ish) is slightly easier than just waking up to the first alarm.

But I’m wondering if that’s healthy or not. It’s a broken 7 hours of sleep
One little thing I have found that helps when you have to wake up very early is to get a timer for your lights. Set it so your lights come on 10 minutes before your alarm goes off.

Just a thought, it helped me.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
This is the reason why it is hard to find people interested in working in jobs where they need to wake up at 4 AM. It entails not just waking up at 4 AM, but also getting to bed quite early too.
Waking up early seems to be much easier than getting to bed early.
 

Shadow Wolf

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Yes I probably could try. I have to get into the habit of going to bed at 730pm for a full 8 hours though, for work. That’s what sucks. Even going to bed at 730 I would have to fall asleep immediately to get a full 8 hours
I find it easier to just flip things around to turn first shift into a third shift (in other words, awake at night and sleep after work).
 

The Sum of Awe

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I find it easier to just flip things around to turn first shift into a third shift (in other words, awake at night and sleep after work).
I work until 6pm so it hardly would change anything. Going to bed at 8pm would be better than 6pm imo, especially for consistency.
 

The Sum of Awe

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You work until 6 PM but need to wake up at 4 AM? How come?
I work 12 hour shifts. 6am-6pm

I have a shower in the morning, I give myself 20 minutes for that (not that I use it all, just in case). I take about 10 minutes to eat a bowl of cereal. I start packing my lunch a little after five. Leave around 5:20. So I could wake up at 4:20am but that's a tight fit. I like to have a bit of extra time in the morning where I can drink coffee and just relax.

On top of that I need to find a time in the day to workout. 45 mins-1 hour. I'd like it to be at the same time every day for consistency purposes. These 3 twelve hour days in a row, then I'm very tired after work I don't know if I can make an effort to do that at night. Seems the morning would be my only option if i can't get into the habit at night. But that would require me to wake up at least by 3:30am.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I work 12 hour shifts. 6am-6pm

I have a shower in the morning, I give myself 20 minutes for that (not that I use it all, just in case). I take about 10 minutes to eat a bowl of cereal. I start packing my lunch a little after five. Leave around 5:20. So I could wake up at 4:20am but that's a tight fit. I like to have a bit of extra time in the morning where I can drink coffee and just relax.

On top of that I need to find a time in the day to workout. 45 mins-1 hour. I'd like it to be at the same time every day for consistency purposes. These 3 twelve hour days in a row, then I'm very tired after work I don't know if I can make an effort to do that at night. Seems the morning would be my only option if i can't get into the habit at night. But that would require me to wake up at least by 3:30am.

You do three 12 hour shift days and then... what about the rest of the week?

I am sorry but working out (and getting results) requires both eating properly and resting properly. I don't see how you could fit training during those days.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
I work 12 hour shifts. 6am-6pm

I have a shower in the morning, I give myself 20 minutes for that (not that I use it all, just in case). I take about 10 minutes to eat a bowl of cereal. I start packing my lunch a little after five. Leave around 5:20. So I could wake up at 4:20am but that's a tight fit. I like to have a bit of extra time in the morning where I can drink coffee and just relax.

On top of that I need to find a time in the day to workout. 45 mins-1 hour. I'd like it to be at the same time every day for consistency purposes. These 3 twelve hour days in a row, then I'm very tired after work I don't know if I can make an effort to do that at night. Seems the morning would be my only option if i can't get into the habit at night. But that would require me to wake up at least by 3:30am.

Also..
Consider how low on energy you feel to start training after working. Now what is gonna happen if you train in the morning is that you are going to use up all of your energy before you are done with your work. In other words, your work is going to feel much worse.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
You do three 12 hour shift days and then... what about the rest of the week?

I am sorry but working out (and getting results) requires both eating properly and resting properly. I don't see how you could fit training during those days.
The rest of the week is off, unless I am doing overtime.
 
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