Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?

[DNB]

I've noticed it's hard for some to admit that there is no hope for mankind by their own devices.

Yes, I find it utterly shallow and oblivious how some just don't see both the spiritual wickedness in the world, and the futility of man to extricate himself from such an enticement and vice.

 

[DNB]

So everyone can claim demons and not be wrong ever using your criteria. That doesn't seem like good evidence to use to demonstrate the conclusion. It leaves me unable to determine if the person making the claim saw something or not.

I remind you, the question of this thread isn't merely the existence of demons, but the evidence that would reveal them to anyone.

By your standard of evidence, grass is evidence for demons. Twinkies are evidence of demons. Tennis shoes are evidence of demons.

It doesn't seem like a very useful standard of evidence to demonstrate the existence of demons to me. I still do not know based on that standard.

twinkies and tennis shoes are evidence for demons when they are used for the wrong reasons - twinkies are degenerate to one's health, and tennis shoes can be a manifestation of one's pretense and squanderous ways when the purchase price exceeds the necessity.
Man can be both self-destructive in his diet and in his spending habits.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

twinkies and tennis shoes are evidence for demons when they are used for the wrong reasons - twinkies are degenerate to one's health, and tennis shoes can be a manifestation of one's pretense and squanderous ways when the purchase price exceeds the necessity.
Man can be both self-destructive in his diet and in his spending habits.

So wait a sec….. I know you didn’t address me, but are you applying proclivities for unhealthy eating, and behaviors that are self-destructive, as all stemming from demons?

All of them?!

What about our own tendencies? Do you attribute everything bad to the demons?

Surely not.

 

[Left Coast]

decadence vs reason

Okay, so you were talking about dessert. Again, come back when you are serious.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

twinkies and tennis shoes are evidence for demons when they are used for the wrong reasons - twinkies are degenerate to one's health, and tennis shoes can be a manifestation of one's pretense and squanderous ways when the purchase price exceeds the necessity.
Man can be both self-destructive in his diet and in his spending habits.

Good grief!

Your standard of evidence makes all evidence useless and tells us nothing. Your claims would displace free will.

What you call evidence for your claims could support any claim including claims counter to yours. It's a zero sum game. It makes no sense.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Okay, so you were talking about dessert. Again, come back when you are serious.

I'm sort of stunned at the idea that people that claim an ideology of life and love seem to be coming to a position of hating their own species and for any reason they can grasp at. I wonder how a love for God and Christ could be turned so fatalistic.

 

[Muffled]

It sounds like the doctors do know what the problem is: Dementia.

I believe there is medicine that can close the portal if the person isn't able to cope with it.

 

[DNB]

So wait a sec….. I know you didn’t address me, but are you applying proclivities for unhealthy eating, and behaviors that are self-destructive, as all stemming from demons?

All of them?!

What about our own tendencies? Do you attribute everything bad to the demons?

Surely not.

Not necessarily, but in the way that when man acts in a manner that defies his intellect or sensibilities - although he can reason that what he is doing is wrong or consequential, he still behaves contrary to his rationale.
Proclivities do not necessitate irrationality, but I am addressing actions and impulses that do, and that are prevalent in humans.

 

[DNB]

Okay, so you were talking about dessert. Again, come back when you are serious.

No, I wasn't, like seriously?!?!?

 

[DNB]

Good grief!

Your standard of evidence makes all evidence useless and tells us nothing. Your claims would displace free will.

What you call evidence for your claims could support any claim including claims counter to yours. It's a zero sum game. It makes no sense.

When one sees a tree move by no inherent capability of its own, we can make the induction that wind exists, despite the fact that the eyes cannot testify to it.
When man acts in a manner that undermines his tangible and quantifiable, intellectual superiority over all other creatures, and especially when this behaviour can be construed as immoral, depraved and degenerate, we can induce the fact that there is a malevolent influence or source acting upon him.

 

[Left Coast]

No, I wasn't, like seriously?!?!?

Why in the world are you bringing it up if it's not what you're talking about? Just say your actual point. Is dessert demonic or isn't it?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Allow me to ignore the examination further, since examining me doesn't support the case for those that claim to be able to pick demons out of a line up. What I believe is irrelevant to the support of the claims of others. It almost seems as if focusing on me would divert from presenting the evidence. Of course, I would never say that others are trying to eliminate my voice by oppressing my faith. So, divert must be the reason.

@YoursTrue was just asking you a reasonable question. No diversion was intended!

Several months ago in another thread I asked you reasonable questions, and you proceeded to accuse me of ‘attacking’ you. The diversion was your tactic… as now.

It comes across as though you’re not sure what you believe, regarding spiritual matters.

So be it. I just wanted to point this out, but I won’t bother you anymore.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

God is loving and wants the best for everyone, but God does not provide input on an individual basis to garner belief in Him.

Then he doesn't want the best for everyone. Then at best he just wishes the best for everyone. Just like I can wish the best for X while X is diagnosed with cancer the next day.

We are all standing on a level playing field.

If the myths are true, then that is clearly not true as other people got the privilege of witnessing miracles and revelations and what-not first hand.
So clearly it is not that he can't or won't reach out. It's that she's choosing not to (if she exists).

Everyone who wants to believe in God has to look at the evidence that God provided.

All we have are claims.

If you want assistance you could pray or supplicate to God, but that is the only way you are going to get assistance.

Praying has the same statistical signals as sheer randomness.
In fact, in some cases it even performs worse then that due to the false hope it provides.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

God agape loves us like this, while we were His enemies and sinners Christ died for us. So no matter how bad a person is God’s arms are still outstretched ready to forgive that person when they repent and come to Jesus Christ.

What is agape love? | GotQuestions.org

What is agape love? How is agape love different from other types of love?

www.gotquestions.org

True love doesn't come with conditions.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Read the news, or study anthropology - either source will elucidate the existence of demons. Man's actions throughout history defy his intelligence - there is clearly an external force that influences man to act contrary to conscience, morality and pragmatism, and even self-preservation.

Pride, hate, intolerance, hungry for power,...

There's more then enough "internal" forces in human psych to account for the atrocities of history, the present and unfortunately the future.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It is amazing though…. Everyone wants peace, but it seems to elude mankind & his efforts to make it happen.

Because people tend to only accept peace on their terms.
Look at Ukraine.

Both sides want peace. Nobody likes to burn money and resources / people.
But peace for both sides currently comes with unreconcilable conditions. So the fighting continues.

And although many claim that “conditions are getting better”…. I’m afraid it is technological advances that mask how bad things really are.

That makes no sense. It's technological advances that have in fact illuminated the world.
Today, when somebody farts at the other side of the globe, we can know about it in 1 minute.

This wasn't the case 100 years ago. We know a lot more today then we knew back then. We are much better informed. In terms of current events and also in terms of statistics and societal health indexes and what not.

In fact... I would even say that the nature of our technological society, especially media, makes the world look a lot worse then it actually is.

When a "karen" acts horribly at a Starbucks, it goes instantly viral. But when a young dude helps an old lady cross the streets, it doesn't. That's not news worthy.
"The news will" always bring the bad news; the sensational.

A couple killed in gang wars gets more ratings then a hundred children getting better lives thanks to a team at an orphanage.

Skeptics are always saying, “We’re living longer than ever before.” Yes, but what kind of quality is it?

The quality overall, at least in secular democracies, is the best it has ever been in the entire history of mankind.

Just ask yourself....
Suppose you could pick any country, at any time where you will be born and grow up, which would it be?
What you can not pick though is what your ethnic background will be, your sexual orientation, your gender or the cultural background (this includes religion).

So you could be a black christian, a black muslim, a white atheist, an asian atheist, a gay black hindu, a gay black atheist, a gay white catholic,... anything really.

Be honest now. Regardless which individual you end up being, in which countries at which times do you think you will have the best chance of a prosperous and secure life?

I can't imagine any other country then an old European secular democracy, after 1980. Like France, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Finland, etc.

Worldwide, there’s more stress, emotional pain, selfishness & greed than ever before, adding to the distress of countless others. And as for sex…”anything goes! After all, we’re only animals.” (Or so the conditioned thinking has it.) And because most of society allows this nonchalant & irreverent attitude toward sex, making it easier to get….

I wonder where you get your intel.
Care to provide evidence for these claims?

the number of broken families & unhappiness increases.

Just for the fun of it: in the US, proportionally, there's more teenage pregnancy and "broken homes" among christian families then among atheist families.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

@YoursTrue was just asking you a reasonable question. No diversion was intended!

Several months ago in another thread I asked you reasonable questions, and you proceeded to accuse me of ‘attacking’ you. The diversion was your tactic… as now.

It comes across as though you’re not sure what you believe, regarding spiritual matters.

So be it. I just wanted to point this out, but I won’t bother you anymore.

"diversion" "was my tactic" "not sure what you believe". I'll leave your words to speak for themselves.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Tangible demons - the influence is real, destructive and wicked.

Except that they don't appear to be tangible at all.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The evil of which I speak is much less dramatic and much more prevalent than murder and uncompromised hate. Your average human, steals, cheats, lies, uses & abuses, bullies, imposes, etc, . All to different degrees, but invariably so.
Why is man typically such a hypocrite, in the way that he cannot treat others as he himself insist that they treat him?
This is a perverse evil, and the source of the majority of the problems in the world.

That's not my experience. Why do you hang out with such terrible humans?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I believe there is medicine that can close the portal if the person isn't able to cope with it.

So you think dementia is caused by demons??