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WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

2ndpillar

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I quoted Jesus, since you have a special hatred in your heart for Paul. Yet you ignored Jesus' words about love being the fulfillment of the law, about love your neighbor as the highest commandment, and went straight to embracing your hatred of Paul, the "woke" crowd, and anyone else who doesn't agree with you.

Why do you have so much hatred in you? You read the words of Jesus, yet you cannot hear them as they are blocked by your rage. "God is Love", not hate. 1 John 4:8

You actually didn't quote Yeshua, you simply translated what he said into your twisted version.
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” According to Matthew 5:17, he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, and it hasn't been fulfilled, as the "day the LORD" the "great tribulation", which will be worse than anything since the "beginning of the world until now" (Matthew 24:21), which has not happened, and not one stroke of the Law shall pass away until heaven and earth pass away (Matthew 5:18). Your more righteous (loving) than thou attitude seems based on the same problem Eve had with the serpent, in that she thought she could live forever if she ate the apple and then would be able to determine right from wrong, good from evil. Well, that gets kids castrated, felons freed, and babies cut into pieces in the name of "love". It will not end well for those who claim their own version of love and light and will end up with the "tares" being "gathered" and carted off to the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:30).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I quoted Jesus, since you have a special hatred in your heart for Paul. Yet you ignored Jesus' words about love being the fulfillment of the law, about love your neighbor as the highest commandment, and went straight to embracing your hatred of Paul, the "woke" crowd, and anyone else who doesn't agree with you.

Why do you have so much hatred in you? You read the words of Jesus, yet you cannot hear them as they are blocked by your rage. "God is Love", not hate. 1 John 4:8

You have misquoted 1 John 4:8. It was Yeshua who came to fulfill the "Law and the prophets", and neither have been fulfilled, and not one "stroke" of the Law will "pass away" until it is all "accomplished", which it hasn't been. Your "woke" religion, of I am holier than thou, with more love and light in your heart, is none other than the religion of the "serpent" of Genesis 3:4, whereas you determine good from evil, and instead of living forever, you will surely die (Jeremiah 31:30).
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You have misquoted 1 John 4:8. It was Yeshua who came to fulfill the "Law and the prophets", and neither have been fulfilled, and not one "stroke" of the Law will "pass away" until it is all "accomplished", which it hasn't been. Your "woke" religion, of I am holier than thou, with more love and light in your heart, is none other than the religion of the "serpent" of Genesis 3:4, whereas you determine good from evil, and instead of living forever, you will surely die (Jeremiah 31:30).
Did Jesus say to hate your neighbor, rail against them, slander them, and curse them? Yet your every post seems to say that's what you believe he taught that you must follow as a sign of your obedience to him. Why is that? Why do you serve anger and hate as the way of God? Is that what you believe God is like towards you? God hates those whom you hate, because God is hate?
 
Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.



Part of the Law of Moses was the Sabbath. It was to be observed by the Israelites and their proselytes. (Exodus 31:16, 17) Jesus’ death replaced any Sabbath requirement.-Romans 7:6; 10:4; Ephesians 2:11-18; Colossians 2:13-16; Hebrews 10:1.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Part of the Law of Moses was the Sabbath. It was to be observed by the Israelites and their proselytes. (Exodus 31:16, 17) Jesus’ death replaced any Sabbath requirement.-Romans 7:6; 10:4; Ephesians 2:11-18; Colossians 2:13-16; Hebrews 10:1.
Hey Mark nice to meet you. Where does it say in the bible that Gods 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? Did you notice not a single scripture you provided in your post agrees with your statement "Jesus death replaced Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath of the 10 commandments? Did you know there was many kinds of sabbaths in the Old testament? James says in James 2:10-11 that if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them. While 1 John 3:4 and Romans 14:23 teach that the bibles definition of sin is the transgression of the law and not believing and obeying what Gods Word says, Hebrews 10:26-31 also teaches that when God gives us a knowledge of what sin is he expects us to believe and follow His Words or we will be in danger of the judgement to come and could lose our salvation if we choose to continue in known unrepentant sin. Happy to prove from the scriptures alone why the scripture you have provided in your post do not agree with your interpretation of them if your interested. Just let me know.

Sunday worship on the other hand as a replacement for Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments in honor of the resurrection of Jesus, is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not supported in the scripture that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus given in Matthew 15:3-9. According to the scriptures Gods Israel in the new covenant are no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham but are now all those who through faith have been born of the Spirit into Gods new covenant promise to love (see Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29). There is now no more Jews or gentile believers we are all now one in Christ according to the scriptures (see Ephesians 2:11-14; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13). If we are not a part of Gods Israel in the new covenant we have no part in Gods new covenant promise that was only ever given to Gods Israel (see Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Hebrews 8:10-12) which is only a name given by God to all those who believe and follow His Word. Gentile believers are now grafted in with Jewish believers (Romans 11:13-27) and we are all now one in Christ.

So why is all this important? Well very simply Gods Word is only ever given to Gods people Israel who believe and follow it to give to the world (Matthew 28:19-20). Gods Israel in the new covenant are now all those who have been born again into Gods new covenant promise through faith and as Jesus teaches in Matthew 4:4 Man does not life by bread alone but by every words that proceeds out of the mouth of God. All of Gods 10 commandments even Gods seventh day Sabbath proceeded directly out of the mouth of God (Exodus 20:1-19) and written by God alone on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18) and is Gods law not the law of Moses given to His people. Its time to unlearn all the lies we have all been taught at Sunday school. God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings and traditions that have led many away from His Word to break the commandments of God, back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth (see John 10:16; John 4:23-24). This dear friend is the final test coming to everyone of us. Who do we choose to worship; God or man?

Take Care.
 
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Brian2

Veteran Member
Yeshua was not cursed for he did not commit a "crime punishable by death", and the land was not cursed/"defiled" because he didn't hang into the night. On the other hand, according to tradition and scripture, Peter was hung by "cords" (Zechariah 11:14-15) by Nero, and probably hung many days to die, and through the night, which would curse Nero's Rome, and Paul was most probably garroted, the normal means of death for political persons by Nero, since Herod, a benefactor of Paul (Zechariah 11:10), fell out of favor with Nero, plus because of the turmoil caused between the followers of Peter versus those of Paul. The trifecta is that Judas Iscariot, the 3rd shepherd of Zechariah 11, as in Zechariah 11:12-13, was also hung through the night from a tree. According to Zechariah 11:7, all three of these "shepherds" were to be "annihilated" by the LORD. It was an equivalent 30 shekels of silver by which Hosea bought the "adulterer" (Gentile church) for "many days" until Israel seeks the LORD and David. (Hosea 3)

Deut 21:22 “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance.

It is true that Jesus was a completely innocent man, but He was judged to have committed a crime punishable by death and was hanged on the tree (wooden cross). It is the hanging of Him on the tree that is what brings the curse by God.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Deut 21:22 “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance.

It is true that Jesus was a completely innocent man, but He was judged to have committed a crime punishable by death and was hanged on the tree (wooden cross). It is the hanging of Him on the tree that is what brings the curse by God.

Dt 21:22 is predicated by "if a man has committed a crime punishable by death". No such crime was committed as you have stated. And Yeshua was not "cursed by God" nor has he taken the curse from the Gentile church, the church of the false prophet Paul, and that church is doomed to "fall and be "cut off" (Matthew 7:25 & Isaiah 22:25), and as they carry the mark of the beast (7th head of the beast of Rev 17, the Roman emperor Constantine), they shall drink from the cup of "God's anger" (Revelation 14:10). The Gentile church, the church of harlot daughters of Babylon ("her" of Rev 18:4), they shall receive of her "plagues", which are the plagues of the nations/Gentiles. Now as far as a "curse" of the land that is with respect to not listening to "Elijah the prophet" and remembering the law of Moses per Malachi 4:4-6). The consequence will be like a "burning like furnace" whereas the "evildoer"/sinner will be as "chaff".
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Did Jesus say to hate your neighbor, rail against them, slander them, and curse them? Yet your every post seems to say that's what you believe he taught that you must follow as a sign of your obedience to him. Why is that? Why do you serve anger and hate as the way of God? Is that what you believe God is like towards you? God hates those whom you hate, because God is hate?

I am just telling you what will happen to evil doers, those who "commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:39-42) They will receive the "plagues" of "her" (Babylon who represent the nations of Daniel 2) (Revelation 18:4), and drink from the cup of God's anger (Revelation 14:10). They can repent and live or continue in their "woke"/lawless ways and die (Ezekiel 18:32). Killing babies and mutilating young children is not "good", or loving.

New American Standard Bible (Ez 18:32)
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord GOD. “Therefore, repent and live!”
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I am just telling you what will happen to evil doers, those who "commit lawlessness" (Matthew 13:39-42) They will receive the "plagues" of "her" (Babylon who represent the nations of Daniel 2) (Revelation 18:4), and drink from the cup of God's anger (Revelation 14:10). They can repent and live or continue in their "woke"/lawless ways and die (Ezekiel 18:32). Killing babies and mutilating young children is not "good", or loving.

New American Standard Bible (Ez 18:32)
For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord GOD. “Therefore, repent and live!”
Considering how every single one of your post is tongue-lashing the "woke", false prophets, me, and everyone else but your own self, I'd say you appear to be getting a great deal of pleasure out of it. In fact, I'd call anger, rage, and judgement of others the very substance, and fruit of your faith. And you use the Bible to justify all of it on top of that.

It is clear to me why you think the 4th commandment is more important than love. I'll tell you why. Because it's super easy to just show up at a church on Saturday. While it is impossible to love others, when you don't have any in your heart. Legalism is a compensation for your failure to fulfill the law through love. It doesn't require and soul-searching or inner transformation of the heart, and it allows you to lie to yourself that you are obeying God's will. God's will is to love.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Considering how every single one of your post is tongue-lashing the "woke", false prophets, me, and everyone else but your own self, I'd say you appear to be getting a great deal of pleasure out of it. In fact, I'd call anger, rage, and judgement of others the very substance, and fruit of your faith. And you use the Bible to justify all of it on top of that.

It is clear to me why you think the 4th commandment is more important than love. I'll tell you why. Because it's super easy to just show up at a church on Saturday. While it is impossible to love others, when you don't have any in your heart. Legalism is a compensation for your failure to fulfill the law through love. It doesn't require and soul-searching or inner transformation of the heart, and it allows you to lie to yourself that you are obeying God's will. God's will is to love.

The church of the "serpent"/devil, the "Gentile church", the church of the false prophet Paul, which aligns with the "woke", is that one decides what is good and evil (Genesis 3:1-6), and they think they can escape judgment for breaking God's commandments. The 4th commandment doesn't require anyone to go to church, it requires one to remember creation and rest on the 7th day of week, as a sign between God and Israel, who he chose as a holy people to keep his Commandments. If they didn't, they would be cursed with the plagues of the nations/Gentiles, much like the plagues which you and the "woke" live with today.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Hey guys

Getting back to the OP. Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word. If there is no scripture than are we by following the man-made teaching of Sunday worship while breaking Gods 4th commandment, going against the very warnings and teachings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9?

Take Care.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Dt 21:22 is predicated by "if a man has committed a crime punishable by death". No such crime was committed as you have stated. And Yeshua was not "cursed by God" nor has he taken the curse from the Gentile church, the church of the false prophet Paul, and that church is doomed to "fall and be "cut off" (Matthew 7:25 & Isaiah 22:25), and as they carry the mark of the beast (7th head of the beast of Rev 17, the Roman emperor Constantine), they shall drink from the cup of "God's anger" (Revelation 14:10). The Gentile church, the church of harlot daughters of Babylon ("her" of Rev 18:4), they shall receive of her "plagues", which are the plagues of the nations/Gentiles. Now as far as a "curse" of the land that is with respect to not listening to "Elijah the prophet" and remembering the law of Moses per Malachi 4:4-6). The consequence will be like a "burning like furnace" whereas the "evildoer"/sinner will be as "chaff".

Deut 21:22 is saying to take a body down from a tree and don't leave it overnight because everyone who is hung on a tree is cursed by God, and leaving the body on the tree overnight will defile the land.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Hey guys

Getting back to the OP. Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word. If there is no scripture than are we by following the man-made teaching of Sunday worship while breaking Gods 4th commandment, going against the very warnings and teachings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9?

Take Care.
Matt 15:3-9 is talking about disobeying God for the sake of human tradition. I can see the connection but since salvation is not through the Law of Moses in the New Covenant and we have no obligation to keep the letter of the law, Matt 15:3-9 seems irrelevant from my pov. If people meet to worship on Monday or Thursday or any other day is irrelevant.
Christians don't need to first become Jews in order to be Christians.
Both Jews and Christians are saved by faith and not by the keeping of the Law. The Law was taken out of the way and both Jew and Gentile meet in the New Covenant which is not one about keeping laws for salvation.
If I don't know that God wants me to keep the Sabbath and I cannot see anywhere in the Bible that tells me I should, then why do you assume that all Christians should keep it?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Matt 15:3-9 is talking about disobeying God for the sake of human tradition. I can see the connection but since salvation is not through the Law of Moses in the New Covenant and we have no obligation to keep the letter of the law, Matt 15:3-9 seems irrelevant from my pov. If people meet to worship on Monday or Thursday or any other day is irrelevant.
Christians don't need to first become Jews in order to be Christians.
Both Jews and Christians are saved by faith and not by the keeping of the Law. The Law was taken out of the way and both Jew and Gentile meet in the New Covenant which is not one about keeping laws for salvation.
If I don't know that God wants me to keep the Sabbath and I cannot see anywhere in the Bible that tells me I should, then why do you assume that all Christians should keep it?

Well, if you as a "foreigner"/Gentile, want to worship on God's mountain, then that entails keep God's Commandments (Isaiah 56:6)

New American Standard Bible Isaiah 56:6
“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To attend to His service and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds firmly to My covenant;
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Matt 15:3-9 is talking about disobeying God for the sake of human tradition. I can see the connection but since salvation is not through the Law of Moses in the New Covenant and we have no obligation to keep the letter of the law, Matt 15:3-9 seems irrelevant from my pov. If people meet to worship on Monday or Thursday or any other day is irrelevant.
Christians don't need to first become Jews in order to be Christians.
Both Jews and Christians are saved by faith and not by the keeping of the Law. The Law was taken out of the way and both Jew and Gentile meet in the New Covenant which is not one about keeping laws for salvation.
If I don't know that God wants me to keep the Sabbath and I cannot see anywhere in the Bible that tells me I should, then why do you assume that all Christians should keep it?
Hi Brian, no one has said to you anywhere that we are saved through keeping the law of Moses. However the connection you see in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God is a real warning from Jesus that we should not do these things if we profess as Christians to love God and we have faith in His Word. Obedience to Gods Word is a fruit of genuine faith that works by love because God has already given us His salvation through Jesus. Therefore according to the scriptures faith obeys Gods law (see Romans 3:31; Matthew 7:21-23. Gods 4th commandments is also one of Gods 10 commandments that demonstrate our love towards God and in the new covenant gives us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4.

On the other hand as you agree the link to Jesus warning in Matthew 15:3-9 is clearly seen in Sunday worship which is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus. As the OP states there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that teaches Gods 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day or rest in honor of resurrection of Jesus. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings given by Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 and according to James if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin. Hebrews 10:26-31 says that those who continue in known unrepentant sin after they are given a knowledge of the truth are in danger of losing their salvation and the judgement to come.

The bible teaches we are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not believing and following what Gods Word says (2 Corinthians 13:5). The test to know if we know God or do not know God is if we have been born again into Gods new covenant promise to keep His commandments through faith. see 1 John 2:3-4 and Romans 3:31.

Take Care.
 
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nPeace

Veteran Member
Your argument seems to rely mostly on the testimony of the false prophet Paul, the "tare" "seed", the message of the "enemy", of Matthew 13:25, which would be meted out to "those who dwell on the earth" who have been "deceived" (Revelation 13:11-14) by the "beast with two horns like a lamb", that being the Roman emperor (7th head of the beast of Revelation 17) Constantine, along with his two "horns like a lamb" (Revelation 13:11), Christ like leaders, Peter (Zechariah 11:16-17), who would not feed, care, or tend the sheep, and Paul, the "shepherd" who would be called "Favor", because of his false gospel of grace, and his intention to negate the covenant of Circumcision made with Abraham (father of peoples), who was the father of nations (Zechariah 11:10). It was the LORD who chose all three of the shepherds of Zechariah 11, which included Judas Iscariot (Zechariah 11:12-13) as noted in Matthew 27:9-10. As for Romans 7, Paul remained a slave of sin with regards to his flesh per Romans 7:25, and he practiced the "very evil that I do not wish to do" (Romans 7:19). That appears to continue today with the members of his Gentile church, as they do what they do not wish to do, because they believe "I am not the one doing it but the evil that dwells in me" (Romans 7:17). That should tell you why the term Pharisee is linked to the term hypocrites. If you read the law, it reads one is cursed if they are hung on a tree into the night, which was not the case with Yeshua, as he was lowered before sundown. It was Peter who supposedly, according to tradition, was hung on a tree into the night, and Paul who was supposedly garroted by Nero, probably in the night. A garrot is a string tied at the end of two pieces of a tree. As for the Commandment of the day of rest, God created all of mankind, and according to Ecclesiastes 12;13, "His Commandments apply to every person", and if the foreigner wants to worship on God's mountain, they have keep God's Sabbath. (Isaiah 56:6).

NASB 1977 Isaiah 56:6
“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath, And holds fast My covenant;
Every foreigner among Israel had to abide by the regulations.
Every Government is like that. You can't go to Russia, and not abide by their law, and get off scotch free... Neither China, nor Korea, nor France, nor England... Nor Israel.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Can everyone see the name of the poster being quoted, or is it my eyes? The text color is so close to off-white, it doesn't even look like gray.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Every foreigner among Israel had to abide by the regulations.
Every Government is like that. You can't go to Russia, and not abide by their law, and get off scotch free... Neither China, nor Korea, nor France, nor England... Nor Israel.

Apparently, Paul didn't abide by the rules, and was chased out of Jerusalem by the Jews, protected by his Lord Caesar" Roman cohorts. Paul's foreign Gentile followers of today can go in and out of Israel today without the keeping the Sabbath. I am pretty sure that the Roman cohorts didn't keep the Jewish Sabbath. The Jews of New York don't even keep the Sabbath, because they laid a cable around New York City, which makes the city their personal dwelling, which according to the rabbinical rules excludes them from keeping some of the man-made laws pertaining to the Sabbath. And I am pretty sure that the "foreigners" didn't and don't "worship" on God's mountain. But then again, maybe Biden is going to Satan's temple in New York and worshipping his god, on his mountain.
 
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