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WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

Windwalker

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I would have to guess for the "Progressives", it is like when Obama got elected, and they had a tingling go down their legs They were inflamed, yet it only marked the beginning of the end, with of course, Biden ushering in the end of the end.
I hear such hatred in you. Where is the love of Christ in your heart towards others? Jesus did teach the the greatest commandment, far greater than the 4th one, is to "Love your neighbor as yourself". Does the above sound like you are obeying Christ?

If you cannot understand the parables of the kingdom of heaven via Matthew 13, how do you think you will understand my modern-day parables, with regard to the sign of the times (Matthew 24:33)? The sign of the times with regards to now, is that the "unclean spirits" of the "false prophet" and the "beast", "demon" spirits, have taken over the leaders (Revelation 16:13).
If you do not know what love is, than how can you understand anything in scripture at all?
 

Windwalker

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What, is no debt, no work, and free money not enough for you? Do you want sugar and corn syrup as well?
Do you know what this scripture means, "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Every time you lash another this way, you are lashing yourself 10 times over.

Do you understand what compassion is? Have you ever experienced compassion towards you before from any human, or perhaps actually from God, as I have? Have you ever experienced compassion within yourself towards another human being in this life?

These things are infinitely more important as a Christian, than you believing keeping the Sabbath is what matters to God.

I think I understand now why you are so focused on legalism. Because it's easier than letting go of your anger and accepting Love into your heart instead. I feel compassion towards you for whatever pain it is that drives you like this. I sense a lot of abuse has been your primary experience instead.
 

3rdAngel

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I did not read, in that verse... "Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day".
You did not read that either 3rdAngel.

Could we just deal with scriptures and let the scriptures do the talking.
Let the Bible answer. Don't you think that will give us the correct answer?

I don't remember interpreting anything. What did I interpret... Could you point that out please?

When God rested on the seventh day, and made that day holy, it was no a 24 hour day, was it?
God did not require the Egyptians, nor the Canaanites... nor any other nation to keep the Sabbath day holy.

Did you notice that none of those scriptures you quoted actually said that God commanded people to keep a Sabbath day, because he rested on that day?
It was only Israel. He told them why they should keep Sabbaths.

Deuteronomy 5:1-3
Moses then summoned all Israel and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the regulations and the judicial decisions that I am announcing to you today, and you must learn them and carefully observe them. Jehovah our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. It was not with our forefathers that Jehovah made this covenant, but with us, all of us alive here today.

He did not tell us 3rdAngel. You are not of the nation of Israel, and even if you were, that would not matter, right, because God's people in the new covenant, with the mediator, Christ Jesus, are neither Jew nor Gentile.
The Gentile would not even be a part of the covenant, if the covenant with the Jews was still binding.

I was hoping we could consider the scripture reasonably, and with a cool head. You just did not like the answer because you are seeking to justify your sin in breaking Gods 4th commandment.
Can we look at this with a cool head.
Or, maybe you are cool, and I am exaggerating.

You asked a question.
You do not believe that all of Gods 10 commandments are now abolished do you?
Why the ten? What about the rest? The Israelites were not given just ten commandments. Why do you obey only ten? Are the rest not God''s commandments?

The apostle Paul used an illustration - a beautiful one, imo - in Romans 7. I hope you are not, like @2ndpillar, and believe Paul to be Satan's minister, in opposition to Christ. Lol.

You likely read it, but, I'll still quote it.
I think it's easy to apply the illustration.

Paul used an example of marriage.
...a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is alive; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. So, then, while her husband is living, she would be called an adulteress if she became another man’s. But if her husband dies, she is free from his law, so that she is not an adulteress if she becomes another man’s. Romans 7:2-3

What was the point?
...the Law is master over a man as long as he lives. Romans 7:1
...you also were made dead to the Law through the body of the Christ, that you might become another’s, the one who was raised up from the dead... Romans 7:4
...now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code. Romans 7:6

Can you explain that please?

What law was Paul referring to?
What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: “You must not covet." Romans 7:7

I think we can both easily answer that. What law is Paul talking about?

There is a lot Paul said in this one Chapter, but I guess, on a forum like this, it's not possible to go through all these texts, in their entirety.
Paul though makes reference to this same Law, throughout his letters.
For example...
What the Law was incapable of doing because it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, condemning sin in the flesh, Romans 8:3

How beautifully that ties in with Galatians 3:10-14
All those who depend on works of law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not remain in all the things written in the scroll of the Law by doing them.” Moreover, it is evident that by law no one is declared righteous with God, because “the righteous one will live by reason of faith.” Now the Law is not based on faith. Rather, “anyone who does these things will live by means of them.” Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.” This was so that the blessing of Abraham would come to the nations by means of Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promised spirit through our faith.

He goes on to give another illustration...
Brothers, I speak using a human illustration: Once a covenant is validated, even if only by a man, no one annuls it or attaches additions to it. Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “and to your descendants,” in the sense of many. Rather, it says, “and to your offspring,” in the sense of one, who is Christ. Further, I say this: The Law, which came into being 430 years later, does not invalidate the covenant previously made by God, so as to abolish the promise. For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has kindly given it to Abraham through a promise.
Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the offspring* should arrive.
Galatians 3:15-19

Can you explain this?
Was the Law able to make anyone righteous?
Could it save anyone from sin, or was a savior needed.
When that savior arrived, which law is master over us, as long as we live... the one that was weak, or the law of the Christ?
What the Law did was show up weaknesses, didn't it. So this helps us understand Paul's talks to the congregations in Rome, Galatia, Ephesus... etc.

Jesus himself said this...
“You heard that it was said to those of ancient times: ‘You must not murder, but whoever commits a murder will be accountable to the court of justice.’ However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; and whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Gehenna." Matthew 5:21-22

The law of the Christ says that if in your heart there is anything bad, you have sinned greatly. You don't have to murder to break God's law.
Can we call the law of the Christ, weak?
Is not the law of Christ superior to the Mosaic Law with its Ten Words?
I am under the Law of Christ. How about you?

The scriptures tell us, God said, "This is my beloved son. Listen to him."
Jesus said, "if you love me, keep my commandments."
The scriptures tell us clearly,
All those who depend on works of law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not remain in all the things written in the scroll of the Law by doing them.” Moreover, it is evident that by law no one is declared righteous with God, because “the righteous one will live by reason of faith.”

Now the Law is not based on faith. Rather, “anyone who does these things will live by means of them.” Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.” This was so that the blessing of Abraham would come to the nations by means of Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promised spirit through our faith.
Galatians 3:10-14

There is quite a lot that can be said on this subject, but space probably won't allow.
I hope we can discuss it though... calmly.

Thanks for your post and taking some time to ask questions and share your view. Little busy this morning (my time). So happy to discuss everything in detail here. I hope to give you a detailed response from the scriptures addressing everything you have said when I have some more time. Just wanted to let you know I saw your post and I will get to it as soon as I am able. I may need to give you a response over a number of posts though as you have covered a lot in your post here. Thanks for sharing though.

God bless
 
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nPeace

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Thanks for your post and taking some time to ask questions and share your view. Little busy this morning (my time). So happy to discuss everything in detail here. I hope to give you a detailed response from the scriptures addressing everything you have said when I have some more time. Just wanted to let you know I saw your post and I will get to it as soon as I am able. I may need to give you a response over a number of posts though as you have covered a lot in your post here. Thanks for sharing though.

God bless
No problem.
I appreciate you taking the time, and of course, taking your time, in consider the questions.
Several posts of your answers would be very much appreciated.
Thanks.
 

Brian2

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Your argument seems to rely mostly on the testimony of the false prophet Paul, the "tare" "seed", the message of the "enemy", of Matthew 13:25, which would be meted out to "those who dwell on the earth" who have been "deceived" (Revelation 13:11-14) by the "beast with two horns like a lamb", that being the Roman emperor (7th head of the beast of Revelation 17) Constantine, along with his two "horns like a lamb" (Revelation 13:11), Christ like leaders, Peter (Zechariah 11:16-17), who would not feed, care, or tend the sheep, and Paul, the "shepherd" who would be called "Favor", because of his false gospel of grace, and his intention to negate the covenant of Circumcision made with Abraham (father of peoples), who was the father of nations (Zechariah 11:10). It was the LORD who chose all three of the shepherds of Zechariah 11, which included Judas Iscariot (Zechariah 11:12-13) as noted in Matthew 27:9-10. As for Romans 7, Paul remained a slave of sin with regards to his flesh per Romans 7:25, and he practiced the "very evil that I do not wish to do" (Romans 7:19). That appears to continue today with the members of his Gentile church, as they do what they do not wish to do, because they believe "I am not the one doing it but the evil that dwells in me" (Romans 7:17). That should tell you why the term Pharisee is linked to the term hypocrites. If you read the law, it reads one is cursed if they are hung on a tree into the night, which was not the case with Yeshua, as he was lowered before sundown. It was Peter who supposedly, according to tradition, was hung on a tree into the night, and Paul who was supposedly garroted by Nero, probably in the night. A garrot is a string tied at the end of two pieces of a tree. As for the Commandment of the day of rest, God created all of mankind, and according to Ecclesiastes 12;13, "His Commandments apply to every person", and if the foreigner wants to worship on God's mountain, they have keep God's Sabbath. (Isaiah 56:6).

NASB 1977 Isaiah 56:6
“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath, And holds fast My covenant;

Deuteronomy 21:22–23 teaches that there was a divine curse placed on a hanged person: “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the LORD your God is giving you for an inheritance” (ESV).
 

3rdAngel

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I did not read, in that verse... "Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day".
You did not read that either 3rdAngel.

Let me answer that with the scriptures. Jesus says that God made the Sabbath for man kind here...
  • Mark 2:27 27, And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath
When God made the Sabbath for all man-kind there was only Adam and Eve who were created on the 6th day of the week
  • Genesis 1:26-31 26, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 27, So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28, And God blessed them, and God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth. 29, And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30, And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creeps on the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31, And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
God blessed "the seventh day" and set the seventh day as a Holy day for man kind in honor of God's finished work of creation...
  • Genesis 2:1-3 1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3, And God blessed the seventh day, and made it holy: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
As posted earlier Jesus says that God made the Sabbath for mankind. The Greek word used for man in Mark 2:27 is ἄνθρωπος (ánthrōpos | G444) meaning human beings.)
  • Mark 2:27 27, And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath
And God commands us as His people to keep His Sabbath as a holy day of rest in the 10 commandments in Exodus 20:8-11....
  • Exodus 20:8-11 8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and made it holy. (reference back to Genesis 2:1-3)
So yep God made the Sabbath for all mankind. On the seventh day of the creation week there was no Jews, no Moses, no Israel, only Adam and Eve who were sinless and in perfect harmony with God their creator. So as you can see plenty of scripture proving what was presented earlier.

I will respond section by section to your large post in a series of smaller posts so they are easy to follow.

More to come...
 
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3rdAngel

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Could we just deal with scriptures and let the scriptures do the talking. Let the Bible answer. Don't you think that will give us the correct answer?
Not sure if you have been following my posts throughout this OP? I have only been providing you and others in this OP with scripture and letting the scriptures do the talking while not reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say or teach.
I don't remember interpreting anything. What did I interpret... Could you point that out please?
Don’t you believe that Hebrews 4 means that everyday is Gods Sabbath (post # 214) in agreement with Kenny? The scriptures do not teach that everyday is the Sabbath. It teaches that "the seventh day" is Gods creation Sabbath in Exodus 20:10 in agreement with Genesis 2:1-3 which is what the scriptures say word for word. To claim that everyday is the Sabbath day is the read into the scriptures what is not written in the scriptures.
When God rested on the seventh day, and made that day holy, it was no a 24 hour day, was it?
According to the scriptures, the night and the daylight are one day in Genesis 1:3-5
God did not require the Egyptians, nor the Canaanites... nor any other nation to keep the Sabbath day holy.
Why would God require the Egyptians, or the Canaanites to keep the Sabbath? They did not believe or obey Gods Words and were lost in theirs sins and unbelief and because of these reasons were not Gods people.
Did you notice that none of those scriptures you quoted actually said that God commanded people to keep a Sabbath day, because he rested on that day? It was only Israel. He told them why they should keep Sabbaths. Deuteronomy 5:1-3 Moses then summoned all Israel and said to them: “Hear, O Israel, the regulations and the judicial decisions that I am announcing to you today, and you must learn them and carefully observe them. Jehovah our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. It was not with our forefathers that Jehovah made this covenant, but with us, all of us alive here today. He did not tell us 3rdAngel. You are not of the nation of Israel, and even if you were, that would not matter, right, because God's people in the new covenant, with the mediator, Christ Jesus, are neither Jew nor Gentile. The Gentile would not even be a part of the covenant, if the covenant with the Jews was still binding.
Well that is not true at all. All of those scriptures quoted God words (verbatim). The scriptures posted earlier state in Exodus 20:8-11 in particular the reason for the Sabbath in Exodus 20:11 was that we are to "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy (Exodus 20:8) was that, in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY" They are Gods Words (word for word from the scriptures). Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man kind (human beings) and there was only Adam and Eve who were made on the 6th day of the creation week when God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27). There was no Moses, no Israel, no Jew when God made the Sabbath for man. God commanded us to keep the Sabbath as His people in Exodus 20:8-11 which is Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that the new covenant scriptures teach give us the knowledge of what sin is in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them in James 2:10-11. Sunday worship on the other hand as a replacement for Gods 4th commandment as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus given in Matthew 15:3-9 (see further scripture support in post # 357 linked).

According to the new covenant scriptures, Gods Israel in the new covenant are no longer those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham (Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29 and Galatians 3:28-29) but are now all those who are born again of the Spirit of God (see John 3:3-7; compare 1 John 3:4-10 and Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4) into Gods new covenant promise (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27). Therefore, Gods Israel according to the scriptures in the new covenant are now all those who through faith believe and follow Gods Word and we are all now one in Christ (Romans 10:11-13; Colossians 3:11). Gentile believers have been grafted in with Jewish believers (Romans 11:13-27). If we are not a part of Gods Israel in the new covenant we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 (further scripture support provided in post # 75 linked). God never made His new covenant with Gentiles (Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27) according to the scriptures.

More to come...
 
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3rdAngel

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You asked a question. You do not believe that all of Gods 10 commandments are now abolished do you? Why the ten? What about the rest? The Israelites were not given just ten commandments. Why do you obey only ten? Are the rest not God''s commandments?
According to the scriptures Gods 10 commandments have the same role in the new covenant as they always had in the old covenant and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. They were given to us to show us that we are all sinners in need of Gods salvation and to lead us to Christ as Gods true sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (John 1:29; Hebrews 10:10; Galatians 3:22-25). Under the Mosaic law of the old covenant not only did God give His people the 10 commandments like he does for us in the new covenant, he gave them shadow laws for the atonement (forgiveness) of sin that were linked to the laws of an earthly Sanctuary and the Levitical Priesthood and animal sacrifices and sin offerings that were all prophetic pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Gods true sacrifice for the sin of the world that was to come in Jesus (John 1:29; Hebrews 10:10) and His work of salvation on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary standing in the presence of God for us as our true great high Priest (see Hebrews 7:1-15; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-29 and Hebrews 10:1-22). These “shadow laws were all pointing to Jesus coming and true sacrifice and atonement for our sins by His death (the wages of our sins – Romans 6:23). So that through the promised Christ in Jesus all who believe in His Words can have God’s forgiveness of sins and everlasting life (John 3:16; John 3:36). We no longer keep the old covenant laws of atonement because those shadow laws pointing to Jesus have now been fulflilled in Christ to who they pointed to. On the other hand Gods 10 commandments are written on stone with the finger of God and do not change. The are Gods eternal laws that give us the knowledge of good and evil and the knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172) and according to James in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of them we strand guilty before God of sin.
The apostle Paul used an illustration - a beautiful one, imo - in Romans 7. I hope you are not, like @2ndpillar, and believe Paul to be Satan's minister, in opposition to Christ. Lol.
I believe all the scriptures as Jesus teaches in Matthew 4:4.
Paul used an example of marriage....a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is alive; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. So, then, while her husband is living, she would be called an adulteress if she became another man’s. But if her husband dies, she is free from his law, so that she is not an adulteress if she becomes another man’s. Romans 7:2-3 What was the point? ...the Law is master over a man as long as he lives. Romans 7:1 ...you also were made dead to the Law through the body of the Christ, that you might become another’s, the one who was raised up from the dead... Romans 7:4 ...now we have been released from the Law, because we have died to that which restrained us, in order that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit and not in the old sense by the written code. Romans 7:6 Can you explain that please?
According to the scriptures here the context is your best friend. Keep in mind there is no chapters, in the original Koine Greek. What is being contrasted in Romans 6; Romans 7 and Romans 8 is the carnal mind or the sinful human nature with those who have been made free to walk in Gods Spirit through faith. The old man that must die in the man of sin. That is our desire to break God’s law because that old man of sin has died with Christ and as Christ was raised to life we are also raised again to walk in newness of life in the Spirit and not in the letter… The context of Romans 7:1-25 is Romans 6:1-23 which is using the symbiloc meaning of baptism and applying baptism to death of the old man of sin and the resurrection to walk in newness of life to obedience to Gods law and not obeying sin. Before we start we should understand that the bibles definition of sin is breaing anyone of Gods commandments and not believing and following what Gods Word says once we have been given a knowledge of the truth of Gods Words from the scriptures (see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23; James 2:10-11). Now we know the bibles definition of sin as breaking Gods commandments or not believing and following Gods Word lets look at the scripture context of Romans 7 in Romans 6:1-23.
  • Romans 6:1-23 1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2, God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Right here we see that Paul is saying if we are saved by Gods Grace we should be dead to sin and not live in sin that God’s grace saves us from any longer.
  • Romans 6:3-4 3, Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4, Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Paul continues this thought in Romans 6:3-4 and states that we or our old man is buried with Jesus in His death that likd Christ we are now raised from the dead (being dead in trespasses and sin) we should now walk in newness of life not continuing in our sins.
  • Romans 6: 5-8 5, For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6, Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that from now on we should not serve sin. 7, For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8, Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him
Once again the these of being dead to sin and walking in newness of life free from sin is continued. It is our old man of sin that is Crucified with Christ (sinful human nature) that the body of sin might be destroyed that we should now not serve sin (break Gods commandments). Note the similarities between Romans 6 and Romans 7? For he that is dead is freed from sin (Romans 6:7).
  • Romans 6:8-11 9, Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more; death has no more dominion over him. 10, For in that he died, he died to sin once: but in that he lives, he lives to God. 11, Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Note what Paul is saying here especially in Romans 6:10-11 comparing Christs death to the death of our man of sin. Likewise says Paul, in that he died, he died to sin once: but in that he lives, he lives to God. Note the next verse in Romans 6:11 “Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. As can be seen here we are to be dead to sin (breaking Gods law and not believing His Word). The scriptures are not telling us to be dead to the law of God and we are now free to break Gods law, that would be sin that we are to die to.
  • Romans 6:12-14 12, Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13, Neither yield you your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin: but yield yourselves to God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.
Note that what Paul is referring to here? Sin is not to reign in our mortal bodies (not heavenly). Paul is referring to our mortal bodies here and now. Sin is not to remain in us if we are Christians and we Christians walking in newness of life we are to be dead to sin and free from sins power over us in order to follow God. Sin shall not have dominion over us because we are no longer under the law guilty of it. We are to yield ourselves to righteousness (right doing) to God.
  • Romans 6:15-17 15, What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16, Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?
Note: Being not under the law here means that we through Gods grace have been forgiven for our sins by Gods Grace (see earlier context of Romans 3:19). To be under the law here means to be standing before God guilty of sin and death. Paul is stating here just because we have received Gods forgiveness of sins through faith in Gods grace and mercy it means we should not continue in known unrepentant sin (God forbid – NO!) and if we continue in sin we will die and if we continue in right doing we will remain righteous before God.
  • Romans 6:17-23 17, But God be thanked, that you were the servants of sin, but you have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18, Being then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness. 19, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as you have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity to iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness to holiness. 20, For when you were the servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. 21, What fruit had you then in those things you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Note Paul here Paul is contrasting the life before a Christian with the life after a Christian. Before we are Christian we are the servents of sin (old man of sin and death). After faith in Gods Word we are made free from sin and have now become the servants of right doing. The fruit of sin is still the same (death) and we have now been freed from sin to become servants to God and our fruit holiness to everlasting life. The wages of sin (breaking Gods law and not believing His Word) is death but the gift of God is grace that we receive through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

So the context of Romans 7:1-25 is the same theme as Romans 6:1-23. We are to be dead to the old man of sin that is crucified with Christ and be married to Christ and walk in newness of life by believing and obeying what Gods Word says from a new heart that loves and walks in His Spirit (see Romans 6:63 and Galatians 5:16).

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3rdAngel

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What law was Paul referring to? What, then, are we to say? Is the Law sin? Certainly not! Really, I would not have come to know sin had it not been for the Law. For example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: “You must not covet." Romans 7:7I think we can both easily answer that. What law is Paul talking about?There is a lot Paul said in this one Chapter, but I guess, on a forum like this, it's not possible to go through all these texts, in their entirety. Paul though makes reference to this same Law, throughout his letters. For example... What the Law was incapable of doing because it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, condemning sin in the flesh, Romans 8:3
According to the scriptures in Romans 7 there is several different laws being referred to. For example I often quote Romans 7:7 as a scripture reference along with other scriptures in the new testament that prove that Gods law in the 10 commandments gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broke. Romans 7:7 says that the Law is not sin and that it gives us a knowledge of what sin is when we brake Gods’ law. Paul uses the example of thou shalt not covet which is Gods 10th commandment found in Exodus 20:17. Paul goes on to say that Gods law (the 10 commandments) because it gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken is holy, just and good in Romans 7:12. Romans 7:13 goes on to say Does the Law of God (the 10 commandments) that he says is good appear as death unto him? God forbid (No!) but it is sin that might appear as sin and that it is sin (breaking Gods law) that is working death in him by Gods law which is good and that the commandment show what sin is when broken. So it is not Gods law that is the problem here but sin that the law gives us a knowledge of when broken. However, the other laws spoken of in Romans 7:5 (context to Romans 7:7) states that before we were Christians in the flesh we had the law of sin and death working in our members (carnal mind is the Greek meaning of Flesh). This is also repeated in Romans 7:25 when Paul gives an example of His experience before He was a Christian. Note what it says here.
  • Romans 7:14-20 14, For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.15, For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16, If then I do that which I would not, I consent to the law that it is good. 17, Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18, For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19, For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20, Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
Note the scriptures here, Paul states the law is holy, just and good in Romans 7:12 and in Romans 7:14 says that the Law (10 commandments Romans 7:7) is spiritual but he is carnal sold unto sin and he consents that the Law (10 commandments) is good. He says that in His flesh (σάρξ (sárx | G4561) means sinful human nature or carnal mind) and that it is his sinful human nature that makes him sin. Note the next scriptures from Romans 7:21-25.
  • Romans 7:21-25 21, I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22, For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23, But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25, I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Note the we are talking about the other law which is the same law discussed earlier in Romans 7:5-6 and that is the law of sin and death working in our members. Paul says that he finds a law that when he would do good evil is present with him and that he delights in the law of God (10 commandments – Romans 7:7-12), but he sees ANOTHER LAW in his flesh bringing him into captivity of the LAW OF SIN. Then he sums the two laws up by saying that he gives thanks to God because with the mind he serves the law of God (10 commandments) and but the flesh (carnal sinful mind) he is controlled by the LAW OF SIN. This then moves on to Romans 8:1-4..
  • Romans 8:1-4 1, There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4, That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Note now in Romans 8:1-4 we are talking about a converted Christian. The converted Christian who receives Gods forgiveness of sins is no longer condemned by the law of sin and death and no longer walks after the sinful flesh but after the Spirit (John 6:63 the Word of God through faith), and note what Paul says in Romans 8:4. That the righteousness (right doing) of the law (Gods 10 commandments) might be fulfilled (obeyed) in us who walk not after the flesh (the old man buried with Christ – Romans 6:1-23) but walk after the Spirit (the Word of God through faith). So Romans 7 is talking about two laws. (1) Gods 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken that is holy, just, good and spiritual (Romans 7:7; Romans 7:12; Romans 7:14) that he says is not sin and death and (2) the law of sin and death that works in our sinful carnal mind (the flesh). *Roman 7:5-6; Romans 7:21-23. So Romans 7 is not stating that we are to die to the law but to sin that we were held to. This also in agreement with Romans 6:1-23 and Romans 8:1-13.

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3rdAngel

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How beautifully that ties in with Galatians 3:10-14 All those who depend on works of law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not remain in all the things written in the scroll of the Law by doing them.” Moreover, it is evident that by law no one is declared righteous with God, because “the righteous one will live by reason of faith.” Now the Law is not based on faith. Rather, “anyone who does these things will live by means of them.” Christ purchased us, releasing us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hung upon a stake.” This was so that the blessing of Abraham would come to the nations by means of Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promised spirit through our faith. He goes on to give another illustration... Brothers, I speak using a human illustration: Once a covenant is validated, even if only by a man, no one annuls it or attaches additions to it. Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “and to your descendants,” in the sense of many. Rather, it says, “and to your offspring,” in the sense of one, who is Christ. Further, I say this: The Law, which came into being 430 years later, does not invalidate the covenant previously made by God, so as to abolish the promise. For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has kindly given it to Abraham through a promise. Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the offspring* should arrive. Galatians 3:15-19 Can you explain this? Was the Law able to make anyone righteous? Could it save anyone from sin, or was a savior needed. When that savior arrived, which law is master over us, as long as we live... the one that was weak, or the law of the Christ? What the Law did was show up weaknesses, didn't it. So this helps us understand Paul's talks to the congregations in Rome, Galatia, Ephesus... etc.
I believe it is explained for me very simply and repeated in Romans 2:1-29 through to Romans 3:8-23. That is, the purpose of Gods law is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). They only purpose of Gods law is to give us the knowledge of what sin is if broken. Paul shows in Romans 3:8-23 that there is none good no not one and that all both Jew and Gentile stand guilty before God under the law because they have broken Gods law and stand guilty before God of sin and death (Romans 3:8-19). So the law of God cannot make someone who is a sinner righteous. We cannot get our righteousness by keeping the law we get out righteouessness as a free gift of Gods grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). Genuine saving faith according to Paul however leads those who have been given Gods grace, mercy, love and forgiveness to obey Gods law (Romans 3:31). So Paul is not saying in Galatains 3:10-19 that we are now free to disobey Gods law. He is simply saying we cannot get our righteousness from the law because all of us have sinned and broken Gods law and all the Law does is to give us a knowledge of what sin is when we break the law. We are saved by grace through faith. It is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast but genuine faith leads those who are forgiven and receive Gods forgiveness to obey Gods law (see Romans 3:31).
Jesus himself said this... “You heard that it was said to those of ancient times: ‘You must not murder, but whoever commits a murder will be accountable to the court of justice.’ However, I say to you that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; and whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Gehenna." Matthew 5:21-22 The law of the Christ says that if in your heart there is anything bad, you have sinned greatly. You don't have to murder to break God's law. Can we call the law of the Christ, weak Is not the law of Christ superior to the Mosaic Law with its Ten Words? I am under the Law of Christ. How about you?
The scriptures tell us, God said, "This is my beloved son. Listen to him." Jesus said, "if you love me, keep my commandments."
The law of Christ is the same as the law of God they are not different laws. According to the scripture Jesus came to magnify the law and teach is that we Gods salvation from the inside out. It was written of Jesus in Isaiah 42:21 “The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honorable.” Matthew 5:20 is interesting because on the outside the Scribes and Pharisees as JESUS taught appeared righteous to men. Outwardly blameless in regards to following God's 10 commandments but inwardly they were like dead man bones *Matthew 23:27 full of sin (breaking God's LAW) *Matthew 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *Matthew 5:20. The scripture in Isaiah 42:21 was posted to show that Jesus came to teach the true meaning of God's Law and that is it is to be applied to the inside out not for appearance to appear righteous to men but being inwardly full of sin and dead mans bones. God reads the heart and knows we are all sick with sin *Matthew 15:19-20; Matthew 12:34-35; Jeremiah 13:23; Jeremiah 17:9-10; Matthew 15:19-20; John 5:42 and in need of a Saviour from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here Matthew 9:12-13. This is leading to the new covenant promise of a new heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12; John 5:42; 1 John 5:17-19; 1 John 4:16; 1 John 5:3; 1 John 4:8.

Jesus tells us that we do not have the love of God in us *John 5:42. We need to be born of god to love *1 John 4:7 and partake of the new covenant promise. This is why Jesus teaches in *John 3:3-7 that unless we are made clean from the inside out and born again to love we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. This is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's law from the inside out. Whosoever is born of god to love in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12 does not knowingly practice sin (breaking Gods commandments) *1 John 3:9; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; Matthew 22:36-40. This is the good news of the gospels in the new covenant we have a saviour to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4. 1 John 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are born again to love and it is love that fulfills God's law in all those who believe and follow God's word in the new covenant *Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10. this results in a people that keep God's law (10 commandments) from the inside out. *Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 3:31; Hebrews 8:10-12. Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *John 3:3-7. No one therefore is under the law of Christ according to the scriptures if they are breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments. That is called sin in the bible (1 John 3:4) and those who practice sin according to 1 John 2:3-4 do not know God and need to be born again (1 John 3:6-9).

Which brings us back to where we started in this OP. Where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? There is none. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 where Jesus says if we follow man made teachings that lead us to break the commandments of God, we are not worshiping God. This begs the question that all of us will be tested on. Who do I believe and follow; God or man? According to the scriptures we are to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not (see 2 Corinthians 13:5). The test is given to see if we know God or do not know God in 1 John 2:3-4 where it is written; "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

Something we should all pray about.

Take Care.
 
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2ndpillar

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Deuteronomy 21:22–23 teaches that there was a divine curse placed on a hanged person: “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the LORD your God is giving you for an inheritance” (ESV).

Yeshua was not cursed for he did not commit a "crime punishable by death", and the land was not cursed/"defiled" because he didn't hang into the night. On the other hand, according to tradition and scripture, Peter was hung by "cords" (Zechariah 11:14-15) by Nero, and probably hung many days to die, and through the night, which would curse Nero's Rome, and Paul was most probably garroted, the normal means of death for political persons by Nero, since Herod, a benefactor of Paul (Zechariah 11:10), fell out of favor with Nero, plus because of the turmoil caused between the followers of Peter versus those of Paul. The trifecta is that Judas Iscariot, the 3rd shepherd of Zechariah 11, as in Zechariah 11:12-13, was also hung through the night from a tree. According to Zechariah 11:7, all three of these "shepherds" were to be "annihilated" by the LORD. It was an equivalent 30 shekels of silver by which Hosea bought the "adulterer" (Gentile church) for "many days" until Israel seeks the LORD and David. (Hosea 3)
 

2ndpillar

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Do you know what this scripture means, "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Every time you lash another this way, you are lashing yourself 10 times over.

Do you understand what compassion is? Have you ever experienced compassion towards you before from any human, or perhaps actually from God, as I have? Have you ever experienced compassion within yourself towards another human being in this life?

These things are infinitely more important as a Christian, than you believing keeping the Sabbath is what matters to God.

I think I understand now why you are so focused on legalism. Because it's easier than letting go of your anger and accepting Love into your heart instead. I feel compassion towards you for whatever pain it is that drives you like this. I sense a lot of abuse has been your primary experience instead.

Who is judging. If the woman wants to "rest" give her rest. If the "woke" want no debt, let them make good decisions. If the "woke" want to get paid for no work, let them go to Windwalker, the loving guy, and get the money from him. If they want to eat low cost highly processed foods with sugar and corn oil, let them eat them, that just lessons the gene pool, and negates having to pay them social security as their life will be cut short. Keeping the "Sabbath" was a Command from God to Israel, God's chosen people. If the "foreigner"/Gentiles want to worship the God of Israel, they will have to keep the Sabbath and hold firmly to My covenant" per Isaiah 56:6. If they want to worship the "dragon"/"devil"/Sol Invictus, just stay on the wide path they are on (Matthew 7:13).

New American Standard Bible Isaiah 56:6
“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To attend to His service and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds firmly to My covenant;
 

Windwalker

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I say yes. John 14:21
Do you say no?
The question was, "Is God's love conditional upon your obeying the law?". My answer to that is no, it is not. I'll address that verse you added here in a moment.

Before addressing this new verse you added to the other ones in the previous post, I want to quote another passage by the same author for reference in 1 Jn 4: 7-13,

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit.
So now your verse which you read as making God's love conditional upon your performance in obeying the law, Jn. 4:21

"Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them".
Now add what John has Jesus saying in the next couple verses in that passage. Verse23, 24

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
What John in communicating of the teachings of Jesus which he lays out in both his gospel and his epistle, is that:

  1. God is Love. It is the nature of God's being. It is what God is, not what God does.
  2. Our love comes from God as its Divine Source, which is the infinite wellspring of Love itself.
  3. When we let that Love flow through us towards one another, then we are children of God, and know God, because that God is Love itself.
  4. We know that Love of God was available to us, and given to us before we kept the law, (not because we kept the law), because God sent Jesus to us (verse 10).
  5. If we love, then we know that we know God. If we do not love, then we do are not knowing God. (vs. 7, 8)
The verses you quoted are saying that exact same thing. If you love God, your actions will attest to that because you will love others. If you do not love others, then you attest you are acting outside of God's Spirit within you, or that you simply have never opened yourself to it. "Anyone who does not love me, will not obey my teaching".

I am saying that as before, the horse must come before the cart. You cannot fully obey, without the power or the Source of Love empowering you. All of this is saying if you have that Love you will do God's will, because to do otherwise is impossible, as Love cannot sin. "Love works no ill".

"Whoever keeps my commandments, is the one that loves". Absolutely correct. If we love, embrace and embody the teachings of grace, forgiveness, compassion, tolerance, non-judgmentalism, etc, then the Father, will reveal himself to them and through them, showing God's power in their lives. This is the way. Love first, obedience, or better put, action, follows. Horse before the cart. Not cart (law), before the horse (love).

Think backwards from doing, from making an effort to obey. Make an effort to allow Love to fill you, through following the principles of love; forgiveness, grace, compassion, tolerance, etc, then the rest will naturally follow. It's not about more effort to obey. It's about allowing Love to do all of it through you. No effort at all on your part.

I hope this helps.
 

Windwalker

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Who is judging. If the woman wants to "rest" give her rest. If the "woke" want no debt, let them make good decisions. If the "woke" want to get paid for no work, let them go to Windwalker, the loving guy, and get the money from him. If they want to eat low cost highly processed foods with sugar and corn oil, let them eat them, that just lessons the gene pool, and negates having to pay them social security as their life will be cut short. Keeping the "Sabbath" was a Command from God to Israel, God's chosen people. If the "foreigner"/Gentiles want to worship the God of Israel, they will have to keep the Sabbath and hold firmly to My covenant" per Isaiah 56:6. If they want to worship the "dragon"/"devil"/Sol Invictus, just stay on the wide path they are on (Matthew 7:13).

New American Standard Bible Isaiah 56:6
“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, To attend to His service and to love the name of the LORD, To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds firmly to My covenant;
Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
If you truly wish to be obedient to God in your faith, then start here.
 

viole

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Helping Your husband with some work any day sounds good to me.
You aren't a godly person, so I don't expect you would take time out for worship.
Taking a gun and recklessly killing anyone can never be good.
It shouldn’t sound good to you. it is against a commandment, as killing a child is against a commandment.

so, are you telling me that the 10 commandments apply only to people worshipping the Author?

So, how do you know murder is more wrong than working on Saturdays, if the Bible commandments are not applicable to unbelievers? Why do people rallying against abortion show crosses and invoke Jesus, when moral things coming from that source are not applicable to us? Wouldn’t’ be like rallying against lies, by invoking Pinocchio, and the dangers of growing a big nose if we lie?

other question: if a worshipping Christian works on Saturdays, while another Christian shoots a little baby in the head, would you rate both acts to be equally evil? If not, why not?

ciao

- viole
 

2ndpillar

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Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
If you truly wish to be obedient to God in your faith, then start here.

According to your false prophet Paul, one is not to feed the healthy indigents nor let the women speak in the congregation. Who is setting your agenda and determining what love is and what love is not? 2 Thessalonians 3:10 & 1 Timothy 2:21 I would assume that would apply to men who identify as women, or who can't identify what a woman is, which might include the whole of the "woke" crowd. I don't know, but it appears you are walking on a very wide path leading to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13-15), being led by the "false prophets", and the world rulers, who are led by the "demons" (Revelation 16:13).

2 Thessalonians 3:10
KJ21
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

NASB 1995 1 Timothy 2:21
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
 

Windwalker

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According to your false prophet Paul, one is not to feed the healthy indigents nor let the women speak in the congregation. Who is setting your agenda and determining what love is and what love is not?
I quoted Jesus, since you have a special hatred in your heart for Paul. Yet you ignored Jesus' words about love being the fulfillment of the law, about love your neighbor as the highest commandment, and went straight to embracing your hatred of Paul, the "woke" crowd, and anyone else who doesn't agree with you.

Why do you have so much hatred in you? You read the words of Jesus, yet you cannot hear them as they are blocked by your rage. "God is Love", not hate. 1 John 4:8
 
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