WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[3rdAngel]

As a side note, so that you know: even if your theology were right, I would vastly prefer to go to hell than to heaven. Or to die, rather than having eternal life. I am saying this so that you save yourself time trying to sell me something I do not want. In the interest of efficiency, of course.

So, back to the main topic. Can you confirm that blowing kids brains off, and working on Saturdays, are morally equivalent according to Jesus?
That is what I can conclude from our previous discussions.

Ciao

- viole

Well the good thing is that God never forces anyone to do anything. We all can choose for ourselves if we want to follow God or not follow God and continue in our sins. However, be it known to you that there are of course consequences for our actions. If you are happy to choose those consequences of death over life that is your choice. Sin of course however is the result of all the suffering and sadness that is in our world today. Heaven unlike the earth does not have that condition. Our life here is but a temporary one to see what we will chose, life that is freely given to all those who believe and follow God's Word or death to those who continue in known unrepentant sin. One thing we all have in common is that we all die but those who have faith in God have eternal life and those who continue in known unrepentant sin will pay the penalty for their sins. To the kid who got his head blown off by the person who murdered him, and to the person who murdered him both will be resurrected and stand before God come judgement day and will receive their reward (everlasting life or eternal death). I think what you are not considering is that according to the scriptures this life is but a testing time or probation for a better life to come.

Take Care.

 

[2ndpillar]

If you want to follow the Old Testament, then you are obligated to follow all of it. No shellfish, get circumcised, no touching women for 7 days after they have menstruation, and the whole nine yards. I don't see why you would bother with Christianity then, since you could just follow Moses instead of Jesus.

The Commandments are for "every person", including Gentiles (Ecclesiastes 12:13). The law is for the sons of Israel, God's chosen people. Unless you are a part of the lost tribes of Israel, you would not come under the law. It was to keep Israel holy, and a healthy tabernacle of God.

 

[2ndpillar]

Thanks. I agree with you. Only logically incoherent Christians would introduce different levels of severity in the violations of the 10 Commandments. Levels of severity that do not exist anywhere in Scriptures.

Ergo, killing kids and working on Saturday are morally equivalent, according to Christianity. I am still not sure why we observe Christians rallying against, say, abortion, and not against McDonalds, but that is probably a mystery of the faith.

Not the same with raping, since this is not even part of the commandments. Which allows us to conclude that working on Saturdays is vastly worse than raping a

Breaking the Commandments came with the loss of blessings and incurring the curses/plagues of the Gentiles. Raping a young maiden resulted in the person having to marry them, a fate that might be worse than death. Who would want to be tied for life to a young woke maiden taken out of today's society?

 

[viole]

Well the good thing is that God never forces anyone to do anything. We all can choose for ourselves if we want to follow God or not follow God and continue in our sins. However, be it known to you that there are of course consequences for our actions. If you are happy to choose those consequences of death over life that is your choice. Sin of course however is the result of all the suffering and sadness that is in our world today. Heaven unlike the earth does not have that condition. Our life here is but a temporary one to see what we will chose, life that is freely given to all those who believe and follow God's Word or death to those who continue in known unrepentant sin. One thing we all have in common is that we all die but those who have faith in God have eternal life and those who continue in known unrepentant sin will pay the penalty for their sins. To the kid who got his head blown off by the person who murdered him, and to the person who murdered him both will be resurrected and stand before God come judgement day and will receive their reward (everlasting life or eternal death). I think what you are not considering is that according to the scriptures this life is but a testing time or probation for a better life to come.

Take Care.

Cool, but as I said, I would vastly prefer Hell. Or death, As an expert, what would you suggest so that I can secure that?

I ask because it is entirely possible, albeit extremely unlikely, that in the future I will change my mind and become a Christian. You never know what happens with brains as they get older.

So, is there something I can do today that would damn me irreversibly? Something like: once damned, always damned?

I heard there is an unpardonable sin, like making fun of the Holy Spirit. And if that is unpardonable, then it could fulfill my requirements.
That would be perfect, since it would seal my destiny by hurting only imaginary beings.

Can you help me there?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Breaking the Commandments came with the loss of blessings and incurring the curses/plagues of the Gentiles. Raping a young maiden resulted in the person having to marry them, a fate that might be worse than death. Who would want to be tied for life to a young woke maiden taken out of today's society?

Yes, that is really mean. The poor rapist forced to marry her victim. I feel really sorry for him. Looks really cruel.
But who can protest, if God is the most perfect being and therefore knows how to best implement justice?

Ciao

- viole

 

[3rdAngel]

I never said it was abolished. Can you please quote me where I said that? Can you quote where I said to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest?
Apparently you are not only reading into what I have said but additionally you are ignoring the scriptures I have said.

Read the OP please. Lets be honest please Kenny, I addressed all the scriptures you posted showing from the scriptures that your interpretation of them is not biblical. Your response was to ignore the scriptures in the posts shared with you that are in disagreement with you and you have not posted any scripture the disproves the OP.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

As a side note, so that you know: even if your theology were right, I would vastly prefer to go to hell than to heaven. Or to die, rather than having eternal life. I am saying this so that you save yourself time trying to sell me something I do not want. In the interest of efficiency, of course.

So, back to the main topic. Can you confirm that blowing kids brains off, and working on Saturdays, are morally equivalent according to Jesus?
That is what I can conclude from our previous discussions.

Ciao

- viole

Fear not dear friend, you will find out soon enough if God is real or not. All you need to do is keep living the life you are living for your dream to come true. However according to the scriptures it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God after we turn our back on him (Hebrews 10:26-31). I would not wish that on anyone.

Take Care

 

[viole]

Fear not dear friend, you will find out soon enough if God is real or not. All you need to do is keep living the life you are living for your dream to come true.

Thank you. I feel better now.

But what if in the future I change? I cannot really say today what I will be in the future as my brain gets older, or even get out of whack. If that happens, then all bets are off.

I would hate it if I became a Christian again and jeopardize my eternal destiny again, after all the good wok I have done. So, any suggestions how I can secure my eternal damnation today?

I heard of unpardonable sins, like blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Would that work? I hope so. That would be a low hanging fruit, securing my damnation, at the cost of hurting only imaginary beings.

However according to the scriptures it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God after we turn our back on him (Hebrews 10:26-31). I would not wish that on anyone.

Could be, but I do not sense any fear whatsoever. Even in the unlikely event that your God existed.

And if I would feel any fear, I would be vastly more afraid of eternal boredom than of eternal pain. I mean, what am I supposed to talk about for all eternity with people like Jesus, Mother Teresa and Pat Robertson, when my intellectual peers are all downstairs gnashing teeth?

I am sure that would not be a problem for you, but a good thing about the world is that we are all different.

Ciao

- viole

 

[3rdAngel]

Thank you. I feel better now.

But what if in the future I change? I cannot really say today what I will be in the future as my brain gets older, or even get out of whack. If that happens, then all bets are off.

I would hate it if I became a Christian again and jeopardize my eternal destiny again, after all the good wok I have done. So, any suggestions how I can secure my eternal damnation today?

I heard of unpardonable sins, like blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Would that work? I hope so. That would be a low hanging fruit, securing my damnation, at the cost of hurting only imaginary beings.


Could be, but I do not sense any fear whatsoever. Even in the unlikely event that your God existed.

And if I would feel any fear, I would be vastly more afraid of eternal boredom than of eternal pain. I mean, what am I supposed to talk about for all eternity with people like Jesus, Mother Teresa and Pat Robertson, when my intellectual peers are all downstairs gnashing teeth?

I am sure that would not be a problem for you, but a good thing about the world is that we are all different.

Ciao

- viole

The decision is yours. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day. The scriptures teach that eye has not seen or ear heard or has entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love Him. That means that our highest thoughts of how great heaven might be cannot even imagine how great it will be. There is no such think as eternal pain only eternal death according to the scriptures at the second coming and again according to the scriptures, only a fool says in his heart there is no God. We can all say we are not fearful of things we have never seen or experienced in our lives. However, the scriptures teach that it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. I would not wish that on anyone who has not made their peace with their maker.

Take Care.

 

[Windwalker]

Your experience is subjective, and you cannot have it confirmed on your own witness. And your wife may have just married you for your money, or some imagined prestige, or simply for lust. She may or may not think you love her, or have lust for her, or is just going to stick with you until the bank is empty. None of that has to do with the love of God, for do not "the tax gatherers do the same" (Matthew 5:46). Your reasoning seems a little bit shallow.

Shallow is your thinking, yes. I said I experienced unconditional love. You demanded I produce 2 or 3 witnesses, and then called me a false prophet for stating what my personal experience was. Do you not actually read things others post to you, or are you just preaching to yourself in a mirror, feeling like you're actually saying something that means anything?

 

[Windwalker]

The Commandments are for "every person", including Gentiles (Ecclesiastes 12:13). The law is for the sons of Israel, God's chosen people. Unless you are a part of the lost tribes of Israel, you would not come under the law. It was to keep Israel holy, and a healthy tabernacle of God.

I'm happy you've found your home in Old Testament laws. Truly. You no longer need to call yourself a Christian anymore. You have Moses. And that's fine. You can convert to Judaism if that is preferable and makes more sense to you, which it surely seems it does to you. Or maybe that's is your religion, and I was wrongly assuming you identified as a Christian?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never said it was abolished. Can you please quote me where I said that? Can you quote where I said to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest?

Apparently you are not only reading into what I have said but additionally you are ignoring the scriptures I have said.

You are not nearly as bad as using a strawman argument as some, but it is not fun being on the receiving end of such nonsense. Trust me, others can see what he is doing.

 

[Brian2]

Look Brian lets be honest. You have not addressed a single thing shared with you or answered a single questions asked of you or addressed any of the scriptures that are in disagreement with you from post # 176 and post # 176 linked. All you have done is to repeat what was already addressed in your posts in the linked posts provided without addressing any of the scriptures, questions asked of you or content of the posts you are responding to. In the linked posts provided here you where shown the context that you disregard from your interpretation of Acts 15 while being shown why your interpretation of Acts 15 is in disagreement with the whole bible.

In this post we will address your last to repetitious posts that have already been addressed from the scriptures in the linked posts provided here and show why your interpretation of Acts 15 is in disagreement with the whole bible. As presented in your posts you believe that Acts 15 teaches that Gods 10 commandments are abolished for gentile believers. Not only will I prove from the scriptures that this assertion is not biblical but I will also seek to show why this understanding of the scriptures is the doctrine of devils and everything that is Antichrist. I mean seriously Brian, think about what you are claiming here. By claiming that Gods 10 commandments are abolished for gentile believers and seeking to explain away the scriptures that are in disagreement with you, your actually claiming that it is now alright for Christians to..

• 1. Have other Gods and it will not effect your relationship with the true God
• 2. You can now make idols and bow down and worship them
• 3. Christians can now take Gods name in vain.
• 4. Christians can now disobey God and break His Sabbath day
• 5. Christians can now dishonor their parents
• 6. Christians can now commit adultery
• 7. Christians can now kill each other
  
• 8. Christians can now steal
• 9. Christians can now lie
• 10. Christians can now covet their neighbors belongings.

That is not what you believe is it Brian?

more to come
@Brian2

You don't seem to be reading my posts, or if you are, you are missing what I said.
You are claiming things about what I said which are not true and which I have already answered. Is it any wonder that my posts seem repetitive to you when I have to explain the same things again and you will not read them or understand them or reply to them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, again.
No, Acts 15 has nothing to do with the 10 Commandments being abolished and I do not say they are abolished.
Acts 15 is about circumcision and keeping the Law of Moses.
Acts 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question.

So tell me why you want the 10 Commandments to not be part of the Law of Moses anyway.

Tell me whether you think that people who do not keep the Sabbath are not Christian.

Do you see that the Law of Moses, including the 10 Commandments, was given to Israel as part of the Mosaic Covenant?

Do you see that anyone can fulfill the requirements of the Law by loving God and their neighbour?

Do you see that the Torah being written in out hearts and our hearts being softened to want to do the will of God, does not mean that the 10 Commandments are written in our heart and we must obey them to part of the New Covenant?

Why do you think that the letter to the Gentile Christians in Acts 15 did not say, or even include "As Christians and in order to be saved you must obey the 10 Commandments". ??

Do you think it might be because the gospel is not salvation by keeping commandments, and that people can be in the New Covenant and saved without knowing anything about the 10 Commandments?

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Look Brian lets be honest. You have not addressed a single thing shared with you or answered a single questions asked of you or addressed any of the scriptures that are in disagreement with you from post # 176 and post # 176 linked. All you have done is to repeat what was already addressed in your posts in the linked posts provided without addressing any of the scriptures, questions asked of you or content of the posts you are responding to. In the linked posts provided here you where shown the context that you disregard from your interpretation of Acts 15 while being shown why your interpretation of Acts 15 is in disagreement with the whole bible. In this post we will address your last to repetitious posts that have already been addressed from the scriptures in the linked posts provided here and show why your interpretation of Acts 15 is in disagreement with the whole bible. As presented in your posts you believe that Acts 15 teaches that Gods 10 commandments are abolished for gentile believers. Not only will I prove from the scriptures that this assertion is not biblical but I will also seek to show why this understanding of the scriptures is the doctrine of devils and everything that is Antichrist. I mean seriously Brian, think about what you are claiming here. By claiming that Gods 10 commandments are abolished for gentile believers and seeking to explain away the scriptures that are in disagreement with you, your actually claiming that it is now alright for Christians to..

• 1. Have other Gods and it will not effect your relationship with the true God
• 2. You can now make idols and bow down and worship them
• 3. Christians can now take Gods name in vain.
• 4. Christians can now disobey God and break His Sabbath day
• 5. Christians can now dishonor their parents
• 6. Christians can now commit adultery
• 7. Christians can now kill each other
  
• 8. Christians can now steal
• 9. Christians can now lie
• 10. Christians can now covet their neighbors belongings.

That is not what you believe is it Brian?

more to come
@Brian2

Your response here...

You don't seem to be reading my posts, or if you are, you are missing what I said.
You are claiming things about what I said which are not true and which I have already answered. Is it any wonder that my posts seem repetitive to you when I have to explain the same things again and you will not read them or understand them or reply to them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, again.
No, Acts 15 has nothing to do with the 10 Commandments being abolished and I do not say they are abolished.
Acts 15 is about circumcision and keeping the Law of Moses.
Acts 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question.

So tell me why you want the 10 Commandments to not be part of the Law of Moses anyway.

Tell me whether you think that people who do not keep the Sabbath are not Christian.

Do you see that the Law of Moses, including the 10 Commandments, was given to Israel as part of the Mosaic Covenant?

Do you see that anyone can fulfill the requirements of the Law by loving God and their neighbour?

Do you see that the Torah being written in out hearts and our hearts being softened to want to do the will of God, does not mean that the 10 Commandments are written in our heart and we must obey them to part of the New Covenant?

Why do you think that the letter to the Gentile Christians in Acts 15 did not say, or even include "As Christians and in order to be saved you must obey the 10 Commandments". ??

Do you think it might be because the gospel is not salvation by keeping commandments, and that people can be in the New Covenant and saved without knowing anything about the 10 Commandments?

Not really Brian, you are just repeating yourself again without addressing anything in the last four posts that prove your interpretation of Acts 15 is in error. I think you also missed the point of what was being posted to you. I was posting if your interpretation of Acts 15 is that Gods 10 commandments are abolished then that is what your conclusions or interpretations are saying. There is a difference. Re-read the post and think it through. You do not need to respond to my posts but at least consider what is being shared with you. It is your salvation not mine and according to the scriptures we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. God is calling us all back to His Word to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Its time to leave the lies they have been teaching us at Sunday school.

Take Care.

 

[Kenny]

Read the OP please. Lets be honest please Kenny, I addressed all the scriptures you posted showing from the scriptures that your interpretation of them is not biblical. Your response was to ignore the scriptures in the posts shared with you that are in disagreement with you and you have not posted any scripture the disproves the OP.

Take Care.

If that makes you happy. I thought it was the other way around.

But regardless, let's preach the gospel of the Cross.

 

[Kenny]

You don't seem to be reading my posts, or if you are, you are missing what I said.
You are claiming things about what I said which are not true and which I have already answered. Is it any wonder that my posts seem repetitive to you when I have to explain the same things again and you will not read them or understand them or reply to them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, again.

@3rdAngel

Well... apparently I'm not the only one who is have the same issue. "Let everything be established by a witness of two".



But do take care

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes, that is really mean. The poor rapist forced to marry her victim. I feel really sorry for him. Looks really cruel.
But who can protest, if God is the most perfect being and therefore knows how to best implement justice?

Ciao

- viole

It has been around 40 years since I read the law concerning this subject, but I think there is a financial opt out if the father doesn't want the maiden to marry the guy. When working with people with hardened hearts, God has to meter out justice in the way that is best. I mean, if a guy doesn't want to get their reigns hitched to a woke modern female, he had best leave them alone, or in your apparent case, get hitched to a "gender" "they" have issues with. Hopefully the "they" guy doesn't get pregnant, with "them" having to make a pay out and pay child support at the same time. Possibly the "female" rapist with ovaries, can identify as a duck and fly south to circumvent having to deal with the situation. I am sorry if I got my pronouns wrong, but my introduction to English was pre 1960s. It is hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

 

[2ndpillar]

If that makes you happy. I thought it was the other way around.

But regardless, let's preach the gospel of the Cross.

Yeshua preached the kingdom of God, which is antithetical to the false prophet Paul's gospel of grace/cross/lawlessness, by which the "tares" (those who "commit lawlessness) will be "gathered" "first" to be thrown into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:30 & 39-41).

 

[2ndpillar]

Shallow is your thinking, yes. I said I experienced unconditional love. You demanded I produce 2 or 3 witnesses, and then called me a false prophet for stating what my personal experience was. Do you not actually read things others post to you, or are you just preaching to yourself in a mirror, feeling like you're actually saying something that means anything?

Your support of the false prophet Paul does not make you a false prophet. It simply leads you down the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13-15). I am simply saying that you stating your own "observation" does not make it true.

 

[Kenny]

Yeshua preached the kingdom of God, which is antithetical to the false prophet Paul's gospel of grace/cross/lawlessness, by which the "tares" (those who "commit lawlessness) will be "gathered" "first" to be thrown into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:30 & 39-41).

Do you agree that Jesus is the mediator of mankind and His cross is redemptive in its fulfillment? That His blood washes away all sin and whosever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life?