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Fallen Angel and the Truth of God

MonkeyFire

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If you had the opportunity to see the one true God and all you had to do was believe in the real fallen angel, who suffers shortly then goes into bliss forever ever after, would you see this truth of God, even if but hypothetically? Would that be light barer? How art thou fallen? Let there be light.

Believe in hate and thus fate.
 
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AdamjEdgar

Active Member
all you had to do was believe in the real fallen angel, who suffers shortly then goes into bliss forever ever after
What are you trying to claim here...that Christ was the fallen Angel or that the Devil will live happily ever after? Neither of these are biblical.
 

SDavis

Member
If you had the opportunity to see the one true God and all you had to do was believe in the real fallen angel, who suffers shortly then goes into bliss forever ever after, would you see this truth of God, even if but hypothetically? Would that be light barer? How art thou fallen? Let there be light.

Believe in hate and thus fate.

Some of the things we humans come up with.
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
What are you trying to claim here...that Christ was the fallen Angel or that the Devil will live happily ever after? Neither of these are biblical.

That if you take the phrase fallen angel literally word for word, you would be able to see the truth of God. All you have to do is believe in the fallen lover.
 

AdamjEdgar

Active Member
That if you take the phrase fallen angel literally word for word, you would be able to see the truth of God. All you have to do is believe in the fallen lover.
I think that when determining Biblical doctrine, one has to start out at the fringes and work ones way into the finer details of theology. This means look at the overall themes and work inwards. When one does that, it is not possible to come up with any kind of pagan interpretations.

I am confused by the last sentence...believe in the fallen lover? What do you mean by this?
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
I think that when determining Biblical doctrine, one has to start out at the fringes and work ones way into the finer details of theology. This means look at the overall themes and work inwards. When one does that, it is not possible to come up with any kind of pagan interpretations.

I am confused by the last sentence...believe in the fallen lover? What do you mean by this?

the spirit if the fallen angel is falling in love hence a fallen angel.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
An army of fallen Angels appears in Revelations. Satan had an army of 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven. There was war in heaven, and Michael the Archangel and his army of Angels, throw Satan and his Angels to earth. These fallen Angels are connected to Satan; his loyalists.

Revelations 12; 7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This symbolism tells us that at one time Satan was condoned in Heaven. Satan had a lot of power, as implied by his leading 1/3 of the Angels. Satan being heaven, as a leader, occurs through the Old Testament and the New Testament, with the exception of the book of Revelations. Satan even comes to Jesus in the Desert, to offer Jesus all the kingdoms, wealth and power of the Earth, if Jesus would bow and serve Satan; Lord of the Earth. But Jesus would not accept the generous material offer. This snub would lead to the war in heaven. Jesus wanted to replace Satan, and take over his place with God.

In Genesis, Satan was connected to the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, which led to the fall from paradise. Satan was put in charge of humans and law; Lord of the Earth.The tree of knowledge of good and evil is about law, which defines good and evil. Satan's law approach to the humans was condoned in Heaven, until Revelations. After that Satan and his angels have no place in heaven. They are banished to the earth, and now lack the divine sanction, they once had. Humans may not be aware of this heavenly change, where what was once sanctioned by God and accepted in heaven, was no longer sanctioned in Heaven.

The symbolism tells us that law of good and evil and Satan were no longer divine; heavenly, but became more like man made. Satan and his Angels, become a type of renegade spirit, that would seem divinely sanctioned, to humans, but which was no longer the case, leading to confusion; relative morality appears which causes war and suffering.

One big wild card is God created the Heavens and Earth in 6 days, and then rested on the 7th day. The question is how long did God rest, with his creation already up and active? While resting, God was not micromanaging. Instead, God assign others to keep up with the day to day chores of creation.

Satan was placed in charge of humans and Earth, as God rested. God had made provisions before he rested. knowing a prohibition would create temptation. God wanted them to eat of Satan's tree since Satan had been chosen to be placed in charge of the humans.

Satan as the CEO, in charge of operations on earth, played the role of God, in terms of what humans could perceive and understand, as the real God rested. Satan's early role was condoned in Heaven, until Satan got the boot. But humans were not aware of the change in Heaven, seeing that the earth was still the same, God was still resting and Satan was still the Lord of the Earth. The Archangel Michael fought Satan. It was not God fighting this battle with Satan, since God was still resting, and he had placed Michael in charge to enforce time dependent rules in Heaven. The clock struck and Satan is removed.

Satan after being thrown to the earth, who had once been accepted as the God of the Old Testament, was no longer justified, going forward. His historical past was still be OK; grandfathered in, while Satan was accepted in heaven for his role. But going forward, after the war in Heaven, things on earth will become different. Satan based law of good and evil has no divine purpose; objectivity. Now law will become more subjective; relative and subjective, with this causing suffering.

After Satan is thrown from heaven, there is a pause in Heaven, until new leadership can take over the job once occupied by Satan. Revelations places Jesus in this role, as God rests. The battle becomes, Satan and man on earth, against Jesus and Heaven; faithful and true. In the end, the armies of Heaven come to settle the power struggle.

Satan had been Lord over humans so long, humans were not aware he got the boot, and now instead of helping heaven and God, Satan uses his power on earth to undermine heaven, as God rests. Revelations tells of his chosen tools; AntiChrist and False Prophet. They will prosper on earth, until the tide turns. Falling Angles can be very seductive, and will help to fool the humans. This describes some of the steps within an update in the operating system of the human brain.
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
An army of fallen Angels appears in Revelations. Satan had an army of 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven. There was war in heaven, and Michael the Archangel and his army of Angels, throw Satan and his Angels to earth. These fallen Angels are connected to Satan; his loyalists.

Revelations 12; 7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This symbolism tells us that at one time Satan was condoned in Heaven. Satan had a lot of power, as implied by his leading 1/3 of the Angels. Satan being heaven, as a leader, occurs through the Old Testament and the New Testament, with the exception of the book of Revelations. Satan even comes to Jesus in the Desert, to offer Jesus all the kingdoms, wealth and power of the Earth, if Jesus would bow and serve Satan; Lord of the Earth. But Jesus would not accept the generous material offer. This snub would lead to the war in heaven. Jesus wanted to replace Satan, and take over his place with God.

In Genesis, Satan was connected to the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, which led to the fall from paradise. Satan was put in charge of humans and law; Lord of the Earth.The tree of knowledge of good and evil is about law, which defines good and evil. Satan's law approach to the humans was condoned in Heaven, until Revelations. After that Satan and his angels have no place in heaven. They are banished to the earth, and now lack the divine sanction, they once had. Humans may not be aware of this heavenly change, where what was once sanctioned by God and accepted in heaven, was no longer sanctioned in Heaven.

The symbolism tells us that law of good and evil and Satan were no longer divine; heavenly, but became more like man made. Satan and his Angels, become a type of renegade spirit, that would seem divinely sanctioned, to humans, but which was no longer the case, leading to confusion; relative morality appears which causes war and suffering.

One big wild card is God created the Heavens and Earth in 6 days, and then rested on the 7th day. The question is how long did God rest, with his creation already up and active? While resting, God was not micromanaging. Instead, God assign others to keep up with the day to day chores of creation.

Satan was placed in charge of humans and Earth, as God rested. God had made provisions before he rested. knowing a prohibition would create temptation. God wanted them to eat of Satan's tree since Satan had been chosen to be placed in charge of the humans.

Satan as the CEO, in charge of operations on earth, played the role of God, in terms of what humans could perceive and understand, as the real God rested. Satan's early role was condoned in Heaven, until Satan got the boot. But humans were not aware of the change in Heaven, seeing that the earth was still the same, God was still resting and Satan was still the Lord of the Earth. The Archangel Michael fought Satan. It was not God fighting this battle with Satan, since God was still resting, and he had placed Michael in charge to enforce time dependent rules in Heaven. The clock struck and Satan is removed.

Satan after being thrown to the earth, who had once been accepted as the God of the Old Testament, was no longer justified, going forward. His historical past was still be OK; grandfathered in, while Satan was accepted in heaven for his role. But going forward, after the war in Heaven, things on earth will become different. Satan based law of good and evil has no divine purpose; objectivity. Now law will become more subjective; relative and subjective, with this causing suffering.

After Satan is thrown from heaven, there is a pause in Heaven, until new leadership can take over the job once occupied by Satan. Revelations places Jesus in this role, as God rests. The battle becomes, Satan and man on earth, against Jesus and Heaven; faithful and true. In the end, the armies of Heaven come to settle the power struggle.

Satan had been Lord over humans so long, humans were not aware he got the boot, and now instead of helping heaven and God, Satan uses his power on earth to undermine heaven, as God rests. Revelations tells of his chosen tools; AntiChrist and False Prophet. They will prosper on earth, until the tide turns. Falling Angles can be very seductive, and will help to fool the humans. This describes some of the steps within an update in the operating system of the human brain.

1/3 of the angels are temperance, but it isn’t the devil. It’s more like temperance keeps the devil
In his belly. That is the devil and his angels, where they lose there place in Heaven, they find their true home as the authority of the prison/hospital world. They call it the fallen world because it lives in descent from God and Heaven, and serve fallen spirits with the Human domain above in The Eden. A fall is a wound, and fallen is its spirit, their angel is a miracle healer, that is a fallen angel.
 

AdamjEdgar

Active Member
An army of fallen Angels appears in Revelations. Satan had an army of 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven. There was war in heaven, and Michael the Archangel and his army of Angels, throw Satan and his Angels to earth. These fallen Angels are connected to Satan; his loyalists.

Revelations 12; 7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This symbolism tells us that at one time Satan was condoned in Heaven. Satan had a lot of power, as implied by his leading 1/3 of the Angels. Satan being heaven, as a leader, occurs through the Old Testament and the New Testament, with the exception of the book of Revelations. Satan even comes to Jesus in the Desert, to offer Jesus all the kingdoms, wealth and power of the Earth, if Jesus would bow and serve Satan; Lord of the Earth. But Jesus would not accept the generous material offer. This snub would lead to the war in heaven. Jesus wanted to replace Satan, and take over his place with God.

In Genesis, Satan was connected to the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, which led to the fall from paradise. Satan was put in charge of humans and law; Lord of the Earth.The tree of knowledge of good and evil is about law, which defines good and evil. Satan's law approach to the humans was condoned in Heaven, until Revelations. After that Satan and his angels have no place in heaven. They are banished to the earth, and now lack the divine sanction, they once had. Humans may not be aware of this heavenly change, where what was once sanctioned by God and accepted in heaven, was no longer sanctioned in Heaven.

The symbolism tells us that law of good and evil and Satan were no longer divine; heavenly, but became more like man made. Satan and his Angels, become a type of renegade spirit, that would seem divinely sanctioned, to humans, but which was no longer the case, leading to confusion; relative morality appears which causes war and suffering.

One big wild card is God created the Heavens and Earth in 6 days, and then rested on the 7th day. The question is how long did God rest, with his creation already up and active? While resting, God was not micromanaging. Instead, God assign others to keep up with the day to day chores of creation.

Satan was placed in charge of humans and Earth, as God rested. God had made provisions before he rested. knowing a prohibition would create temptation. God wanted them to eat of Satan's tree since Satan had been chosen to be placed in charge of the humans.

Satan as the CEO, in charge of operations on earth, played the role of God, in terms of what humans could perceive and understand, as the real God rested. Satan's early role was condoned in Heaven, until Satan got the boot. But humans were not aware of the change in Heaven, seeing that the earth was still the same, God was still resting and Satan was still the Lord of the Earth. The Archangel Michael fought Satan. It was not God fighting this battle with Satan, since God was still resting, and he had placed Michael in charge to enforce time dependent rules in Heaven. The clock struck and Satan is removed.

Satan after being thrown to the earth, who had once been accepted as the God of the Old Testament, was no longer justified, going forward. His historical past was still be OK; grandfathered in, while Satan was accepted in heaven for his role. But going forward, after the war in Heaven, things on earth will become different. Satan based law of good and evil has no divine purpose; objectivity. Now law will become more subjective; relative and subjective, with this causing suffering.

After Satan is thrown from heaven, there is a pause in Heaven, until new leadership can take over the job once occupied by Satan. Revelations places Jesus in this role, as God rests. The battle becomes, Satan and man on earth, against Jesus and Heaven; faithful and true. In the end, the armies of Heaven come to settle the power struggle.

Satan had been Lord over humans so long, humans were not aware he got the boot, and now instead of helping heaven and God, Satan uses his power on earth to undermine heaven, as God rests. Revelations tells of his chosen tools; AntiChrist and False Prophet. They will prosper on earth, until the tide turns. Falling Angles can be very seductive, and will help to fool the humans. This describes some of the steps within an update in the operating system of the human brain.
sorry but that is a woeful theological position that is completely at odds with the reading of scripture.
Christ created this earth, he was never below Lucifer(later known as Satan)

The war in heaven was ancient...long before the incarnation...hence John the revelator called him, "that ancient serpent". The war in heaven was before the fall of Adam and Eve...Genesis and the entire plan of salvation leading up to and beyond the cross makes this plainly obvious.one only has to study the sanctuary service to understand the timeline for sin and salvation.
 

MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
sorry but that is a woeful theological position that is completely at odds with the reading of scripture.
Christ created this earth, he was never below Lucifer(later known as Satan)

The war in heaven was ancient...long before the incarnation...hence John the revelator called him, "that ancient serpent". The war in heaven was before the fall of Adam and Eve...Genesis and the entire plan of salvation leading up to and beyond the cross makes this plainly obvious.one only has to study the sanctuary service to understand the timeline for sin and salvation.

the war in revelation is after the events of the gospel, and the boy with the iron scepter is St. Michael, and then He is swept out of Heaven becoming the Holy Ghost, but He may be delivered. I don’t think it’s healthy to have satan be stronger than Michael. The other train of thought is that the original archangel Lucifer, aka Omni, for his omniscient nature is the fallen, and Jesus and Michael came after Him in descent to absolutely save him in every way. It says satans tail sweeps 1/3 of the stars from the sky, did he sweep himself included, or just uncle Lou?


Revelation 2 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:

These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.

4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6 But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

12 “To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:

These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword. 13 I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.

14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you:There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality. 15 Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. 16 Repenttherefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

17 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.

The first angel is fallen, and the third angel receives a new name. I would think the name of the third angel would be Lucifer, and the true fallen angel beckons the truth of God.
 
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AdamjEdgar

Active Member
the war in revelation is after the events of the gospel, and the boy with the iron scepter is St. Michael,
It is quite easy to link the war in heaven with the fall of man in Genesis and the story outlined at the start of the book of Job. It is very clear that this refers to the rebellion in heaven from which all of what we see around us today (ie sin) started. The entire plan of salvation is based on that critical event and how Lucifer, after losing his place in heaven and being cast down to this earth, then set about tempting Adam and Eve in order to destroy the perfection of this creation.

One significant hole in your theology here is that when Satan tempted Christ in the wilderness, he made the claim that he had the power to give all of what Jesus saw around them to Christ if he would simply bow down and worship Satan. That was in approx A.D 27. Satan also claimed he was walking to and fro on the earth when the "sons of God met in Job 1. It is very problematic trying to state that Satan (that ancient serpent called the devil), only came to this earth after John wrote the book of Revelation in A.D 90!!!

Part of the problem with the book of Revelation is that many denominations, one example are the fundamentalist Baptists, try to read the entire book sequentially (ie start of the book being oldest time in history, to the latter being future events). That is not the correct way to read this book.

An important thing to also keep in mind with Revelation, it is a sister book to that of the Book of Daniel and its prophecies. So the two should be studied together to ensure the interpretation of its timeline doesn't get screwed up.

It really isn't difficult to link all of this together and it does not need any great use of textual referencing to prove this.

Also, lookup Type and Antitype definitions. You will find that the book of Revelation refers back to Type and then uses that to describe future events...hence your confusion.

One thing that the SDA's are very good at is understanding the books of Daniel and Revelation. This church specialises in the two books and their prophecies and spend an enormous amount of scholarly research on them. Study SDA resources on this ( you will get a much better picture than you have right now)

The Seventh-Day Resource Centre

or you can buy published literature at links below (not a sales plug as there are plenty of SDA resources online for free about these two biblical books)

https://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/product/daniel-and-revelation-7-volume-set/
Understanding Daniel and Revelation - Adventist Book Centre Australia [with ABC Christian Books, Better Books and Food and Christian Life Resources]

Finally, read the following (as relevant examples of Type/Antitype):

Ezekiel 28:14-19 - whilst speaking of the king of Tyre, this actually is also a direct reference to Lucifer. in heaven and his fall from grace

Isaiah 14:12 - 15 whilst talking about the demise of the king of Babylon, this is actually a direct reference to Lucifer and his fall from grace in heaven. Babylon in Revelation does not refer to the ancient Babylonian empire...it uses that historical reference and actually represents the wicked in the Antitype (ie future). If we look at the statue in the book of Daniel, do you not find it ironic that the statue has a head of gold which represents the Nebuchadnezzars empire and that a stone cut without hands comes down out of heaven and strikes the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces? The point is, the statue represents the kingdoms of this world that are consumed by sin (because of the fall of man in the garden of Eden) and that Christ when he returns again at the second coming (the stone cut without hands) will cleanse this earth from all sin (that is the entire point of Nebuchadnezzar's dream in chapter 2...which is repeated a number of times throughout the book of Daniel.

These kingdoms that statue represents, existed from almost a thousand years before A.D 90 when John wrote the book of Revelation. So Lucifer's fall from heaven and his renaming to Satan is clearly an ancient event to the apostle John! All of the above, which is just scratching the surface of the "against" argument concerning your claim quoted above .... it means that your theology is just plain wrong on this!
 
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MonkeyFire

Well-Known Member
No it is not...that is just plain wrong. It is quite easy to link the war in heaven with the fall of man in Genesis and the story outlined at the start of the book of Job. It is very clear that this refers to the rebellion in heaven from which all of what we see around us today (ie sin) started. The entire plan of salvation is based on that critical event and how Lucifer, after losing his place in heaven and being cast down to this earth, then set about tempting Adam and Eve in order to destroy the perfection of this creation.

One significant hole in your theology here is that when Satan tempted Christ in the wilderness, he made the claim that he had the power to give all of what Jesus saw around them to Christ if he would simply bow down and worship Satan. That was in approx A.D 27. Satan also claimed he was walking to and fro on the earth when the "sons of God met in Job 1. It is very problematic trying to state that Satan (that ancient serpent called the devil), only came to this earth after John wrote the book of Revelation in A.D 90!!!

Part of the problem with the book of Revelation is that many denominations, one example are the fundamentalist Baptists, try to read the entire book sequentially (ie start of the book being oldest time in history, to the latter being future events). That is not the correct way to read this book.

An important thing to also keep in mind with Revelation, it is a sister book to that of the Book of Daniel and its prophecies. So the two should be studied together to ensure the interpretation of its timeline doesn't get screwed up.

It really isn't difficult to link all of this together and it does not need any great use of textual referencing to prove this.

Also, lookup Type and Antitype definitions. You will find that the book of Revelation refers back to Type and then uses that to describe future events...hence your confusion.

One thing that the SDA's are very good at is understanding the books of Daniel and Revelation. This church specialises in the two books and their prophecies and spend an enormous amount of scholarly research on them. Study SDA resources on this ( you will get a much better picture than you have right now)

The Seventh-Day Resource Centre

or you can buy published literature at links below (not a sales plug as there are plenty of SDA resources online for free about these two biblical books)

https://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/product/daniel-and-revelation-7-volume-set/
Understanding Daniel and Revelation - Adventist Book Centre Australia [with ABC Christian Books, Better Books and Food and Christian Life Resources]

Finally, read the following (as relevant examples of Type/Antitype):

Ezekiel 28:14-19 - whilst speaking of the king of Tyre, this actually is also a direct reference to Lucifer. in heaven and his fall from grace

Isaiah 14:12 - 15 whilst talking about the demise of the king of Babylon, this is actually a direct reference to Lucifer and his fall from grace in heaven. Babylon in Revelation does not refer to the ancient Babylonian empire...it uses that historical reference and actually represents the wicked in the Antitype (ie future). If we look at the statue in the book of Daniel, do you not find it ironic that the statue has a head of gold which represents the Nebuchadnezzars empire and that a stone cut without hands comes down out of heaven and strikes the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces? The point is, the statue represents the kingdoms of this world that are consumed by sin (because of the fall of man in the garden of Eden) and that Christ when he returns again at the second coming (the stone cut without hands) will cleanse this earth from all sin (that is the entire point of Nebuchadnezzar's dream in chapter 2...which is repeated a number of times throughout the book of Daniel.

These kingdoms that statue represents, existed from almost a thousand years before A.D 90 when John wrote the book of Revelation. So Lucifer's fall from heaven and his renaming to Satan is clearly an ancient event to the apostle John! This means that your theology is just plain wrong on this!

The war should have happened before the fall…
 

AdamjEdgar

Active Member
The war should have happened before the fall…
yes exactly right...it did happen before the temptation and disobedience of Adam and Eve (fall of man).
After Satan was cast down to this earth he sought to destroy everything God made...so he went after Gods creation...but this is a different war to the one that saw him cast out of heaven...this is a war against mortal mankind through temptation to sin. It's an attempt at payback...Satan simply wants to take as many humans down with him as possible before his own demise. That's the point.
 
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MonkeyFire

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yes exactly right...it did happen before the temptation and disobedience of Adam and Eve (fall of man).
After Satan was cast down to this earth he sought to destroy everything God made...so he went after Gods creation...but this is a different war to the one that saw him cast out of heaven...this is a war against mortal mankind through temptation to sin. It's an attempt at payback...Satan simply wants to take as many humans down with him as possible before his own demise. That's the point.

satan is still an angel and completely separate from Lucifer, and Metatron. Satans name is unknown, he was originally a avatar for anxiety, and atheism towards passive Jesus and he rebelled against God for his envy, and more down trotted existence. Ultimately he gets a true name, and lives with a temptation. He didn’t become satan and the anti-Christ until he rebelled that one time, like a drop of water in a endless ocean. The point of this is the expel demons from mankind, even from our dearest enemy.
 
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