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The Bible Is A Heavily Outdated Book

Nothing in the bible and what it says can be applied to the normal way of life today. Heck, some of its texts are almost 3,000 years old! The bible is a collection of 66 books composed by random authors over the course of a very long period of time. Most of the authors, at least in the old testament, could not have known each other. Thus is the reason why there are MANY contradictions in the bible. They simply didn't all agree with one another's scriptures.

There's no way stoning disobedient children to death can be integrated into modern society today nor stoning rape victims simply for being unable to call out due to the offender covering her mouth. All which ARE acceptable in the bible. And also killing innocent women and children. Not to mention PREGNANT women especially. So to all of those anti-abortion Christians, please take note.

There are rules in war that militaries must follow like the Geneva Convention which states patently that you CANNOT kill non combatants. But it was no problem in the bible for jews to do those things of course.

Do the Christian women of today cover their hair when they read the bible? I can guarantee you that 99.9% of them don't. It was an abomination to NOT cover your hair as a woman back in the hay days of Christianity. On occasion today, I might stumble upon a female pastor. But this is also an abomination according to Christianity. Women are not meant to speak but keep silent.

Yes, there are PLENTY of other outdated things in the bible like I mentioned. Jews eating pork for example; there are plenty of jewish people that eat pork today. But a long time ago Jews were strictly forbidden from eating pork like the bible mentions. Heck, even the NT writers of Matthew thought that was outdated and unnecessary during their own period of time! That's why Christians can eat it without issue.

And how about Jesus' coming? Well, 2,000 years ago the Christian scribes said he will come back REALLY soon and that the end is nigh! Before this 'generation' ends, 'soon.' That's how soon I'm talking about. But, here we are a very, very long 2,000 years later where many, many generations have come and gone. And still no Jesus? It sounds like a failed and outdated prophecy to me.

I can't even fathom what 2,000 years is like in my head. I mean, the 1980s feel like forever ago, am I right? And you still want to say that Jesus is coming which was mentioned 2,000 years ago? Please.

I'm saying he is not coming back. "Oh brother, just you wait, sinner!" Ha, I'll wait and you'll wait with me. But I really think you will be disappointed.

It's obvious that society has evolved and religion in general along with it which to me makes the bible an outdated book. What say you about my argument?
 
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Brian2

Veteran Member
Nothing in the bible and what it says can be applied to the normal way of life today. Heck, some of its texts are almost 3,000 years old! The bible is a collection of 66 books composed by random authors over the course of a very long period of time. Most of the authors, at least in the old testament, could not have known each other. Thus is the reason why there are MANY contradictions in the bible. They simply didn't all agree with one another's scriptures.

There's no way stoning disobedient children to death can be integrated into modern society today nor stoning rape victims simply for being unable to call out due to the offender covering her mouth. All which ARE acceptable in the bible. And also killing innocent women and children. Not to mention PREGNANT women especially. So to all of those anti-abortion Christians, please take note.

There are rules in war that militaries must follow like the Geneva Convention which states patently that you CANNOT kill non combatants. But it was no problem in the bible for jews to do those things of course.

Do the Christian women of today cover their hair when they read the bible? I can guarantee you that 99.9% of them don't. It was an abomination to NOT cover your hair as a woman back in the hay days of Christianity. On occasion today, I might stumble upon a female pastor. But this is also an abomination according to Christianity. Women are not meant to speak but keep silent. These are just a few of many examples.

And how about Jesus' coming? Well, 2,000 years ago the christian scribes said he will come back REALLY soon and that the end is nigh! Before this 'generation' ends, 'soon.' That's how soon I'm talking about. But, here we are a very, very long 2,000 years later where many, many generations have come and gone. And still no Jesus? It sounds like a failed and outdated prophecy to me.

I can't even fathom what 2,000 years is like in my head. I mean, the 1980s feel like forever ago, am I right? And you still want to say that Jesus is coming which was mentioned 2,000 years ago? Please.

I'm saying he is not coming back. "Oh brother, just you wait, sinner!" Ha, I'll wait and you'll wait with me. But I really think you will be disappointed.

It's obvious that society has evolved and religion in general along with it which to me makes the bible an outdated book. What say you about my argument?

You do seem to be cherry picking passages in the Bible and not having any understanding of them at all.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Sure it may be outdated, but it shouldn't be thrown out either. Learning from the past helps to prevent making the same mistakes in the future.
Not thrown out entirely, but definitely thrown out as powerful influence in politics and society at large. Those who haven't already moved on are largely those hating gays and have an unhealthy, rabid and dangerous obsession with abortion and eroding the separation of church and state.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The bible became an old testimonials data review

Written long after the new event times rebuild of pyramid temple technology that blew up.

Only because large star burning mass kept repeatedly falling returning did they write the legality of their awareness.

Healers medical monk review taught them. Proven that churches had been built before new style Rome built. Resonate sound therapies.

The new testimony was. Shut bible on an oath from this day only ever tell the truth.

Was short lived.

Star mass returned man's satanic science awareness returned.

So the book was re opened to argue the legality of proof no man is God.

Today isn't even used in those terms of a human interpretative legal argument.

As data in history was used as evidence.

Men as science data used. Use science data to say mutated human past life.

Science data is exact science data caused it.

As natural living healthy portion whole life suffering is not scientific data.

A whole human isn't DNA. We are mainly water biology and mineral chemistry owning blood and bone substances and are not numbers.

Substances are first numbers are imposed by men only.

Man taught numbers came out of the wilderness...chaos of God. A changed gods mass.

As God O the body mass existed before man.

Numbers were for mechanics and men Proved the machines had caused life's destruction.

Why humans stopped using the machines. Warning says the machines keep coming back reinvented that destroys human life.

The fault of the science man.

It's my why he said fault is an earthquake and I'm the carpenter builder tectonic plate who consumed it. At the end and last causes of science. Earth breaks apart by pressures lost.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Not thrown out entirely, but definitely thrown out as powerful influence in politics and society at large. Those who haven't already moved on are largely those hating gays and have an unhealthy, rabid and dangerous obsession with abortion and eroding the separation of church and state.
Man knew Romes Jesus legal governing terms real.

They knew already man's satanic conscious beliefs returned with returned star fall. Greedy men Rich and trade governing for greed not family took control.

So new religious orders tried to regovern families mutual rights.

The homophobia review involved the returned mind satanic influences. Man never owned any control over biology mind changes. Taught Gods heaven changes caused it.

Yet knowing humanity needed to heal return to family history tried to influence the family unity.

Today the exact same past legal proceedings have to be reinstated. Science causing known heavens changes has to be reviewed.

As it's only about man's greed in trade and governing. It isn't about family saving whatsoever.

The bible was written to save family only.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And how about Jesus' coming? Well, 2,000 years ago the christian scribes said he will come back REALLY soon and that the end is nigh! Before this 'generation' ends, 'soon.' That's how soon I'm talking about. But, here we are a very, very long 2,000 years later where many, many generations have come and gone. And still no Jesus? It sounds like a failed and outdated prophecy to me.
I guess you are referring to the prophecy in Matthew 24:34 that says that this generation will not pass away till the Son of Man has come? That is not Jesus saying that He will return before the generation he was living in passes away.

Matthew 24
King James Version

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If you read all these verses in context, in Matthew 24:34 Jesus was referring not referring to His own generation, He was referring to the generation that came AFTER the Son of man returns, AFTER the things in Matthew 24:29 have occurred.

Clearly, Jesus was saying that the ungodly and wicked generations, as in the days of Noah, will not pass away until the Son of Man returns and changes the world. Wicked and ungodly generations have continued for well beyond the time Jesus uttered those Words.

Immediately after we see what is delineated in Matthew 24:29, the sign of the Son of man shall appear in heaven.
When we see all these things, we will know that it is near, even at the doors.
I can't even fathom what 2,000 years is like in my head. I mean, the 1980s feel like forever ago, am I right? And you still want to say that Jesus is coming which was mentioned 2,000 years ago? Please.

I'm saying he is not coming back. "Oh brother, just you wait, sinner!" Ha, I'll wait and you'll wait with me. But I really think you will be disappointed.
Jesus was never planning to return to earth. Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no longer in this world.
(John 14:19, John 17:11, John 17:4, John 19:30)

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
It's obvious that society has evolved and religion in general along with it which to me makes the bible an outdated book. What say you about my argument?
I say that the spiritual teachings in the Bible are not outdated. They will never be outdated because they are eternal. However, the social teachings and laws in the Bible are outdated since they do not apply to the modern age we are living in. The message from God conveyed in the Bible is also outdated since it is not the message that pertains to the age we are living in.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
You do seem to be cherry picking passages in the Bible and not having any understanding of them at all.
But we agree that those passages are in there, don't we?
How about cutting out the obsolete stuff and only keep the good stuff?

Something like:
Jefferson_Bible.jpg

Jefferson Bible
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Nothing in the bible and what it says can be applied to the normal way of life today. Heck, some of its texts are almost 3,000 years old! The bible is a collection of 66 books composed by random authors over the course of a very long period of time. Most of the authors, at least in the old testament, could not have known each other. Thus is the reason why there are MANY contradictions in the bible. They simply didn't all agree with one another's scriptures.

There's no way stoning disobedient children to death can be integrated into modern society today nor stoning rape victims simply for being unable to call out due to the offender covering her mouth. All which ARE acceptable in the bible. And also killing innocent women and children. Not to mention PREGNANT women especially. So to all of those anti-abortion Christians, please take note.

There are rules in war that militaries must follow like the Geneva Convention which states patently that you CANNOT kill non combatants. But it was no problem in the bible for jews to do those things of course.

Do the Christian women of today cover their hair when they read the bible? I can guarantee you that 99.9% of them don't. It was an abomination to NOT cover your hair as a woman back in the hay days of Christianity. On occasion today, I might stumble upon a female pastor. But this is also an abomination according to Christianity. Women are not meant to speak but keep silent. These are just a few of many examples.

And how about Jesus' coming? Well, 2,000 years ago the christian scribes said he will come back REALLY soon and that the end is nigh! Before this 'generation' ends, 'soon.' That's how soon I'm talking about. But, here we are a very, very long 2,000 years later where many, many generations have come and gone. And still no Jesus? It sounds like a failed and outdated prophecy to me.

I can't even fathom what 2,000 years is like in my head. I mean, the 1980s feel like forever ago, am I right? And you still want to say that Jesus is coming which was mentioned 2,000 years ago? Please.

I'm saying he is not coming back. "Oh brother, just you wait, sinner!" Ha, I'll wait and you'll wait with me. But I really think you will be disappointed.

It's obvious that society has evolved and religion in general along with it which to me makes the bible an outdated book. What say you about my argument?
At one level this is trivially true, in that the bible was written thousands of years ago for an obviously different culture, so many of its instructions for behaviour clearly don't fit today's world.

But if you consider the messages it contains, it, and the religions founded upon it, have shaped our entire culture in the western world for 2 millennia and continue to do so.
 
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Brian2

Veteran Member
But we agree that those passages are in there, don't we?
How about cutting out the obsolete stuff and only keep the good stuff?

Something like:
Jefferson_Bible.jpg

Jefferson Bible

It would be a better option to try to understand those passages a bit better and that might help us to see that the Bible is not heavily outdated and that the same problems existed then as now and the Biblical answers are relevant.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
It would be a better option to try to understand those passages a bit better and that might help us to see that the Bible is not heavily outdated and that the same problems existed then as now and the Biblical answers are relevant.
Why would that be a better option? We agree that genocide, slavery and subjugation of women are heavily outdated and we agree that the Bible promotes them. You can't give a Bible to someone and expect them to come to that conclusion by the book itself. At least write a coda or preamble to make clear that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally and that it isn't a basis to get one's morals from.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
It would be a better option to try to understand those passages a bit better and that might help us to see that the Bible is not heavily outdated and that the same problems existed then as now and the Biblical answers are relevant.

There are elements of 'the same problems happened then' for sure. War, famine, flood, pestilence. Some elements of the human condition are timeless, as well.

But it's also somewhat trite to suggest we have the same problems now as then in some other ways.

Almost invariably there is not just an interpretive element to the majority of Christian beliefs and actions, but a selective one too.

So...from my point of view...there is indeed wisdom and thought-provoking elements to the Bible. But it is far from completely relevant, and much is ignored or discarded in order to focus on what are now seen as core messages. To be clear, I prefer that interpretive behaviour to some sort of scriptural fundamentalism, but what people read as literal, what as metaphor, and what is left at the door is generally pretty informative and subjective in my opinion.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Why would that be a better option? We agree that genocide, slavery and subjugation of women are heavily outdated and we agree that the Bible promotes them. You can't give a Bible to someone and expect them to come to that conclusion by the book itself. At least write a coda or preamble to make clear that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally and that it isn't a basis to get one's morals from.
The bible is not an instruction manual. It is a work of literature. Trying to take it literally is a bit silly. That's what the creationists and Seventh Day Adventists do, but it is a quite anachronistic approach.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The bible is not an instruction manual. It is a work of literature. Trying to take it literally is a bit silly. That's what the creationists and Seventh Day Adventists do, but it is a quite anachronistic approach.
Their is value in the Bible. Though they do not realize it, creationists and the like are some of the worst disrespecters of the Bible. They tend to turn it into a book of fairy tales and ignore its legitimate lessons.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Their is value in the Bible. Though they do not realize it, creationists and the like are some of the worst disrespecters of the Bible. They tend to turn it into a book of fairy tales and ignore its legitimate lessons.
Yes, but how could they know? That view is not in the Bible.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
The bible is not an instruction manual. It is a work of literature. Trying to take it literally is a bit silly. That's what the creationists and Seventh Day Adventists do, but it is a quite anachronistic approach.


Creationists, Seventh day Adventists, and anti-theists. Who generally have for more in common than they care to admit :thumbsup:
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...Thus is the reason why there are MANY contradictions in the bible...

I don't think there are any real contradictions in the Bible. And that is for me one reason to think God must have guided its development, because as you say, it is not just from one man at one point of time, but from many people in many different times.

...
And how about Jesus' coming? Well, 2,000 years ago the christian scribes said he will come back REALLY soon and that the end is nigh! Before this 'generation' ends, 'soon.' That's how soon I'm talking about. But, here we are a very, very long 2,000 years later where many, many generations have come and gone. And still no Jesus? It sounds like a failed and outdated prophecy to me.

I can't even fathom what 2,000 years is like in my head. I mean, the 1980s feel like forever ago, am I right? And you still want to say that Jesus is coming which was mentioned 2,000 years ago? Please.

I'm saying he is not coming back. "Oh brother, just you wait, sinner!" Ha, I'll wait and you'll wait with me. But I really think you will be disappointed.

It's obvious that society has evolved and religion in general along with it which to me makes the bible an outdated book. What say you about my argument?

I wouldn't call that an argument, just an opinion. It seems to me that you have not understood well what is said in the Bible.

But, for me it is a win win situation. If Jesus would come sooner, it means evil ends sooner. If Jesus comes later, it means that there is more people who chooses good rather than evil.
 
Updated to elaborate on "other examples." And to me, the bible and religion as a whole are things of the past. Modern society is moving on from religion and superstition. Religion is declining faster than ever also. Does this mean Jesus is coming because people are leaving Christianity in droves? No, it just means people want to take a more realistic approach to life. They had enough of an open mind to look at other possibilities that may be considered the truth instead now.
 
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