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Biden Thinks Climate Change More Threating Than Nuclear War

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So, it appears that the majority here does not think science can not advance to a point that the major factors affecting the earth can be solved. Yet think that a rogue nation or leader could not use nuclear weapons in a first strike scenario.
Well I'm facisinated by the idea of the majority of you not trusting science but trusting leaders of a country.
If so I think we are doomed.

A rogue nation might get off a bomb or two. That would be terrible for the people involved, but the Earth would feel little effect. AGW has the potential to be far worse and if we do not curb fossil fuel consumption it is going to be rather hard to control.

Do you realize that currently wind and solar are the two cheapest sources of energy. It is still easier to make fossil fuel powered plants but even that will not be the case for long. Dedicated taxes can have amazing outcome at times. Subsidizing "Green energy" and making people pay the full price for oil and coal is not a bad idea at all.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
According to him, the Iran push to develop a nuclear bomb is specifically aimed at Israel.
That's a politician trying to whip up fear in order
to maintain power in both Israel & USA, where
our politicians lap this **** up.
Obviously, Iran faces more threats than just Israel,
eg, Saudis, Iraq, USA. And given that 2 of Iran's
threats have nukes, (USA, Israel), they've given
Iran good reason to want nuclear insurance against
attack.
We can't rely on common sense from Iran.
Can we rely upon common sense from any
country in that quagmire? Nah.
They could just lob a bomb at Israel, and Israel already has countless bombs, I believe.
And Israel could just as easily nuke Iran.
If both are so armed, then MAD would reign.
I'm not sure we could rely on Israel sticking to conventional weapons if that happened. Just speculation of course. Incidentally, Israel is well aware of the threat and recently (?) raided an Iranian nuclear facility and set them back many years (he said).
Israel's attacks & assassinations are
certainly reason for Iran to want nukes.
 

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Only you would think climate change isn't the weather. o_O


What Is Climate Change? | United Nations


"Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns".
You put the wrong word in bold:

Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperature and weather patterns.

So n increase in unstable weather could be from climate change. More energy in the weather would mean more major storms that bring cold down from the north in the winter or heat up from the south in the summer. We have seen both.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
A rogue nation might get off a bomb or two. That would be terrible for the people involved, but the Earth would feel little effect. AGW has the potential to be far worse and if we do not curb fossil fuel consumption it is going to be rather hard to control.

Do you realize that currently wind and solar are the two cheapest sources of energy. It is still easier to make fossil fuel powered plants but even that will not be the case for long. Dedicated taxes can have amazing outcome at times. Subsidizing "Green energy" and making people pay the full price for oil and coal is not a bad idea at all.
It's a shame solar is only feasible with adequate sunlight in ideal conditions. If they could somehow improve solar technology to work under low light or even nocturnal light without significant drops in production, that would be ideal. Couple that with improved energy storage systems and it might be a winner.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It's a shame solar is only feasible with adequate sunlight in ideal conditions. If they could somehow improve solar technology to work under low light or even nocturnal light without significant drops in production, that would be ideal. Couple that with improved energy storage systems and it might be a winner.
Solar is limited in that way. Ways around it are being developed. Making hydrogen would be one way. Break water down using electrolysis. Toss the oxygen, save the hydrogen. Ship where needed. It can then be burned with water as a byproduct. I am rather pro-nuclear. The problems of disposing of nuclear waste are more emotional than scientific Between nuclear and renewables we should be able to beat this

Also people that complain about the power grid not being able to handle the increase in power are ignoring the obvious. Our power grid has needed an update for quite some time. We might as well boost it to the point that it can handle the electricity needed for vehicles. One of Texas's main problems during the big freeze a few years ago was not that there was not enough power, but that the lines could not handle the demand. And that was without bunch of electric cars increasing consumption. They are WAY overdue when it comes to an upgrade.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
And some things that we might not have considered fully. Like animal "pests" migrating north, and from a recent news item some kind of fungus disease being seen further north than before.

I've recently seen a show discussing glacial melts releasing viruses and bacteria. As Earth Warms, the Diseases That May Lie within Permafrost Become a Bigger Worry - Scientific American

Well I'm facisinated by the idea of the majority of you not trusting science but trusting leaders of a country.

Except that's not what happening. Those agreeing with Joe aren't agreeing because Joe said it.

Just imagine all of America as a giant swamp, with multi-ton reptilian carnivores walking around it

You probably mean literally a swamp with literal reptilian carnivores. Figuratively, that's not far from my present view of American life. About half its population seem sociopathic now, like the people who mock empathy by using the word "woke," or MAGA, or those that want to "own the libs," and those that don't care how much children are terrified of schools. The pandemic brought this rampant anti-social contingent to the forefront with people demanding jobs and access to venues where they were unwanted and began crying about tyranny in their indifference to the fears and needs of others. The religious right with its big extended middle finger for fertile women everywhere is more of that. The Karen phenomenon is more of it yet. Overt white supremacists are yet another manifestation of this poverty of spirit that washed over that culture now.

We are not in danger because of climate change. Life adapts.

If you have some special insight here and turn out to be correct, you can make a killing in real estate. Just buy it up all along the gulf coast and the east coast, especially between the Carolinas and Florida, where worsening hurricanes and rising sea levels have the faint-hearted motivated to sell. There was a guy in Northern California whose house burned down twice in three years, and decided to leave what he considers to be a now no longer habitable region. His gullibility is your opportunity. I'll bet he was or is a motivated seller and would let you buy his lot for a song.

Perhaps you could understand my qiip instead of commenting on what was essentially humor.

No, it wasn't humor. Humor makes people laugh (see video below). It was trolling. And now you're gaslighting. "I was just kidding," "Where's your sense of humor," and "Can't you take a joke are all red flags for that behavior. None of them are things actual comedians say. They don't need to. Nobody confuses a joke with anything else.

Just keep in mind the experts can be divided.

No, the consensus of experts are in agreement about climate change and have been for decades, and obviously those who argued against them then or now are wrong.

I stated technology is more of a threat than climate change vs a nuclear threat. You get an F for not paying attention.

And you get an F for not recognizing that both are byproducts of a technological civilization. Anthropogenic climate change is a result of technology, and any mitigation not due to widespread decimation of these societies will come from additional technology.

It's a shame solar is only feasible with adequate sunlight in ideal conditions. If they could somehow improve solar technology to work under low light or even nocturnal light without significant drops in production, that would be ideal.

Or you could move to where the sun is. Sam Kinnison (link hidden in the spoiler) had similar advice for starving people, which might offend some, but it's essentially the same message. And nobody will need to tell you that he is joking. Video 59 seconds.

 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I've recently seen a show discussing glacial melts releasing viruses and bacteria. As Earth Warms, the Diseases That May Lie within Permafrost Become a Bigger Worry - Scientific American



Except that's not what happening. Those agreeing with Joe aren't agreeing because Joe said it.



You probably mean literally a swamp with literal reptilian carnivores. Figuratively, that's not far from my present view of American life. About half its population seem sociopathic now, like the people who mock empathy by using the word "woke," or MAGA, or those that want to "own the libs," and those that don't care how much children are terrified of schools. The pandemic brought this rampant anti-social contingent to the forefront with people demanding jobs and access to venues where they were unwanted and began crying about tyranny in their indifference to the fears and needs of others. The religious right with its big extended middle finger for fertile women everywhere is more of that. The Karen phenomenon is more of it yet. Overt white supremacists are yet another manifestation of this poverty of spirit that washed over that culture now.



If you have some special insight here and turn out to be correct, you can make a killing in real estate. Just buy it up all along the gulf coast and the east coast, especially between the Carolinas and Florida, where worsening hurricanes and rising sea levels have the faint-hearted motivated to sell. There was a guy in Northern California whose house burned down twice in three years, and decided to leave what he considers to be a now no longer habitable region. His gullibility is your opportunity. I'll bet he was or is a motivated seller and would let you buy his lot for a song.



No, it wasn't humor. Humor makes people laugh (see video below). It was trolling. And now you're gaslighting. "I was just kidding," "Where's your sense of humor," and "Can't you take a joke are all red flags for that behavior. None of them are things actual comedians say. They don't need to. Nobody confuses a joke with anything else.



No, the consensus of experts are in agreement about climate change and have been for decades, and obviously those who argued against them then or now are wrong.



And you get an F for not recognizing that both are byproducts of a technological civilization. Anthropogenic climate change is a result of technology, and any mitigation not due to widespread decimation of these societies will come from additional technology.



Or you could move to where the sun is. Sam Kinnison (link hidden in the spoiler) had similar advice for starving people, which might offend some, but it's essentially the same message. And nobody will need to tell you that he is joking. Video 59 seconds.

In your opinion. Of course.

Thank you.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
We never have controlled it. We aren't capable of controlling it. And it's always changing.
Technically you are somewhat right. We do not want the climate to change as it has been. But it is due to man's activities. If someone kept putting blankets on you when you were in bed who would you say is the cause of you waking up because you got too warm?
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Technically you are somewhat right. We do not want the climate to change as it has been. But it is due to man's activities. If someone kept putting blankets on you when you were in bed who would you say is the cause of you waking up because you got too warm?
Or it's just a cycle. The actual warming trend has been tiny, a couple of degrees.
What goes around comes around.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Or it's just a cycle. The actual warming trend has been tiny, a couple of degrees.
What goes around comes around.
Yea. That's why I wasn't convinced it was exclusively man made/caused.

What was interesting that had skewed my view and caused me to adjust my position somewhat was from a poster from the past who was rather well educated, and explained to me there was a type of synthetic carbon that dosent occur in nature but was emitted by human technology that is detectable in the atmosphere.

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Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
He's right: nuclear war has a risk of occurring, but mutual determent makes it very unlikely. On the other hand, climate change is already happening and affecting weather patterns and occurrence of natural disasters (e.g., wildfires and floods) in multiple regions around the world.

As well as animal behavior.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Tell that to Texans who have never seen deep-freezes like have happened in the past few years. Or hell, even other areas of the Great Plains. This winter my area got down to -20 without windchill. Negative Twenty. It has never been that cold.
As well as coastal Florida, which didn't get into the 90s often. Now it's the norm.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Even Hawkins was derided by his peers for being overly flamboyant on the issue, but essentially there is a threat nonetheless.

Yea. I agree there.

I just don't think it overrides the threat posed by nuclear arms.
Alright. A nuclear holocaust is not a certainty. But do you believe that climate change and global devastation is less certain than that? Most people accept that it's already happening. It make take a few decades longer than a weekend of all out nuclear war, but do you think it is uncertain if it will actually happen - if we don't drastically change what we are doing right now?

In other words, do accept there is a real problem that will overwhelm the planet which is already happening unless stopped? Or do you deny there's actually a real danger? On a scale of acceptance as 10, to denial as 1, are you closer to denialism or to acceptance? What number would you put yourself at?
 
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