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It's called sponsorship Shadow.Auto racing compared to half-ethnic hipster food. What difference in demographs do you suppose there might be where it might be a concern for one but not the other?
Well yea. Tradition, not hate.To me it appears more the fanbase than the organization. The organization banned the Rebel Flag a couple years ago. That did anger a part of their fanbase.
A part of that tradition is hate and celebrating the CSA in opposition to civil rights and equality.Well yea. Tradition, not hate.
Nascar dosent seem the same anymore.
Do you want advertisements that might end up appealing to racial supremacists?It's called sponsorship Shadow.
Racing and sponsorship go hand in hand.
I'm not that paranoid.Do you want advertisements that might end up appealing to racial supremacists?
It's called PR, Twilight.
Well, form another racing franchise then and try to compete with Nascar.A part of that tradition is hate and celebrating the CSA in opposition to civil rights and equality.
Why? I don't give a crap about cars turning left hundreds of times.Well, form another racing franchise then and try to compete with Nascar.
As I said, auto racing and half-ethnic hipster food. What differences are there in the types of demographs these things attract?I'm not that paranoid.
You think Chipotle is racist by having the 88 club?
Why not try answering the question.As I said, auto racing and half-ethnic hipster food. What differences are there in the types of demographs these things attract?
Neither do I over people's paranoia everything is racist or whatever.Why? I don't give a crap about cars turning left hundreds of times.
It's not a simple answer. Auto racing attracts many who are racist and white supremacists, and the number 88 is something they identify with.Why not try answering the question.
Is Chipotle racist because they have the 88 club?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
It's not thinking it's necessarily racist. They chose to ditch the numbers because real white supremacist do use the number 88 and because auto racing is known for having a part of the fan base who are white supremacists They, AJ Foyt Racing, are snuffing the possibility of any such vermin making that association and attachment with them. Yeah, there is the unfortunate aspect of giving white supremacists a nod they own the number, but it's also understandable from a public relations viewpoint, and just avoiding the question altogether by avoiding the situation altogether.Neither do I over people's paranoia everything is racist or whatever.
It's not thinking it's necessarily racist. They chose to ditch the numbers because real white supremacist do use the number 88 and because auto racing is known for having a part of the fan base who are white supremacists They, AJ Foyt Racing, are snuffing the possibility of any such vermin making that association and attachment with them. Yeah, there is the unfortunate aspect of giving white supremacists a nod they own the number, but it's also understandable from a public relations viewpoint, and just avoiding the question altogether by avoiding the situation altogether.
When it comes to 88, white supremacist do factually use that number, and since they had people complain about banning the Rebel Flag then it seems a valid concern to not want a number those sorts attach to for ill purposes, because where you find one there's a chance you'll find the other.As I see it, though, the number 88 is apples and oranges compared to the rebel flag. I'm fine with the rebel flag being banned by NASCAR or whatever. But the rebel flag is an intentional symbol that was purposely made to represent the Confederacy; its intent was to symbolize the Confederacy and all its values. I don't buy the argument that the rebel flag is merely a symbol of heritage that can be divorced from the promotion of slavery and Jim Crow. In many cases, the rebel flag stand PRECISELY for those things.
When it comes to 88, white supremacist do factually use that number, and since they had people complain about banning the Rebel Flag then it seems a valid concern to not want a number those sorts attach to for ill purposes, because where you find one there's a chance you'll find the other.
And as I pointed out this avoids any possibility of future unwanted questions and associations due to nasty people clinging to a number.
You really have to consider the context, environment and what's going on. Such as, 666 is just a number. But to metalheads and Christians alike it's not just 666 but it is the Number or the Beast.
It's hypocritical givin the arguments made over the American flag by the left. It's no more offensive than watching the General Lee escape Rosco on Dukes of Hazzard.As I see it, though, the number 88 is apples and oranges compared to the rebel flag. I'm fine with the rebel flag being banned by NASCAR or whatever. But the rebel flag is an intentional symbol that was purposely made to represent the Confederacy; its intent was to symbolize the Confederacy and all its values. I don't buy the argument that the rebel flag is merely a symbol of heritage that can be divorced from the promotion of slavery and Jim Crow. In many cases, the rebel flag stand PRECISELY for those things.
It's fine to ban the rebel flag at your event if you thinks it's a good PR move. Hell, it's fine to ban the number 88 for the same reasons.
But my attitude towards the number 88 is WAY different than my attitude towards the rebel flag. The rebel flag ALWAYS means what it symbolizes. It's not an arbitrary symbol. "88" is a different case. Much by accident can you end up assigning the number to a racing car, a sports jersey, you name it. There isn't an inherent symbolism going on there as with the rebel flag.
It's nut JUST that we are handing over the number to neonazis by avoiding (but, yes, we're doing that too) it's that avoiding an arbitrary number seems a little bit superstitious to me. It reminds me of a psychology experiment some time back where participants were handed an object and then later told (while they were holding it) that it belonged to Adolph Hitler. The participants then began to treat the object differently, even regarding it with disgust. Of course, the object didn't REALLY belong to Hitler, but that's not the point. The point is, at a psychological level, human beings can be caused to regard ordinary objects with disdain, simply because an association is suggested to them.
I'm all for stamping out symbols of hateful ideologies. But we need to be careful, also, not to infuse those symbols with a power that they wouldn't have otherwise had.
You really have to consider the context, environment and what's going on. Such as, 666 is just a number. But to metalheads and Christians alike it's not just 666 but it is the Number or the Beast.
It's hypocritical givin the arguments made over the American flag by the left. It's no more offensive than watching the General Lee escape Rosco on Dukes of Hazzard.
Flags don't mean anything. Right?
I'd be concerned. I'll have my comments and opinions, but I will never try to ban them from doing so or put pressure to force them in a certain direction I desire.I don't get your point. Flags DO mean something. They often represent the ideologies of the territories that fly those flags. That was my point.
I'm sure if you saw a bunch of college students waving a hammer and sickle flag, you would get ALL KINDS of wound up about it.