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Utah becomes first state in 2023 to ban gender-affirming care for transgender minors

JDMS

Academic Workhorse
Several transgenders here are arguing that kids should make that decision.

In what world do these two statements mean the same thing?

"... it is adult transgenders wanting to make decisions for children"
"Several transgenders here are arguing that kids should make that decision."

Not to mention that I literally said that they should receive a diagnosis first. Most people here agreed. So we are saying that trained medical professionals should be allowed to use their professional training and opinion to allow appropriate candidates to access hormone replacement therapy (and I didn't even mention surgery).

Your attempts to change your story are pathetic. Have fun straw-manning others and thinking of us as sexual predators for no reason.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Ok. What are you actually saying?
To quote myself:
That's what fundamentalists Christians widely believe, and they think they have all the answers and they are contained in the Bible.
Amd it is entirely inappropriate for the government to decide someone can't get a treatment that a doctor has approved for a patient. They need to butt out and let these things be decided between patient and doctor, people going through it and those who have actually studied it, not cispeople who know very little about the subject yet go on harping on about what they think as if it should matter and count for something.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
In what world do these two statements mean the same thing?

"... it is adult transgenders wanting to make decisions for children"
"Several transgenders here are arguing that kids should make that decision."

Not to mention that I literally said that they should receive a diagnosis first. Most people here agreed. So we are saying that trained medical professionals should be allowed to use their professional training and opinion to allow appropriate candidates to access hormone replacement therapy (and I didn't even mention surgery).

Your attempts to change your story are pathetic. Have fun straw-manning others and thinking of us as sexual predators for no reason.

Wow!!! Really??

"it is adult transgenders wanting to make decisions for children"

I was repying to a transgender...


"Several transgenders here are arguing that kids should make that decision."

It speaks for its self.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
A medical Dr can perform the procedure at any age of the child. Several years of psychological counseling should be done when the child hits their teens
Of course
I think medical doctors and mental health professionals need to work in tandem in many cases. Especially if if involves adolescents.
But legislating against such a thing hinders that help in a myriad of ways.
Ways that legislators just aren’t aware of, since it is outside of their expertise. That’s not a criticism, just reality.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
What it is is adult transgenders wanting to make decisions for children
It's medical research and organizations that have approved these treatments.
Amd to demonstrate how under informed bigoted cises are, go to any webpage you can find that's of a doctor who performs bottom surgeries. You will see a lot of "no one under 18/no minors." Sometimes they'll do it with parental consent. Regardless of age, they all require two letters of recommendation from someone schooled and trained and continually educated in the subject (most, if not all medical field positions require continued education).
 

We Never Know

No Slack
To quote myself:


"That's what fundamentalists Christians widely believe, and they think they have all the answers and they are contained in the Bible"

You blame religion and the bible


"Amd it is entirely inappropriate for the government to decide someone can't get a treatment that a doctor has approved for a patient. They need to butt out and let these things be decided between patient and doctor, people going through it and those who have actually studied it, not cispeople who know very little about the subject yet go on harping on about what they think as if it should matter and count for something."


So a 10 year old knows what's best. Got it.
My 9yo grandson wants to be a cop. The Dr's should approve him for police academy because its what he wants...at this time of being 10 years old
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Wow!!! Really??

"it is adult transgenders wanting to make decisions for children"

I was repying to a transgender...


"Several transgenders here are arguing that kids should make that decision."

It speaks for its self.
Who exactly is making that argument?
I’m cis by the way
 

We Never Know

No Slack
It's medical research and organizations that have approved these treatments.
Amd to demonstrate how under informed bigoted cises are, go to any webpage you can find that's of a doctor who performs bottom surgeries. You will see a lot of "no one under 18/no minors." Sometimes they'll do it with parental consent. Regardless of age, they all require two letters of recommendation from someone schooled and trained and continually educated in the subject (most, if not all medical field positions require continued education).

"It's medical research and organizations that have approved these treatments."

Its also research that show minors are not competent enough to choose for theirself.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
So a 10 year old knows what's best. Got it.
My 9yo grandson wants to be a cop. The Dr's should approve him for police academy because its what he wants...at this time of being 10 years old
What the serious hell, dude? An honest reading and presentation of what I said will NEVER render such garbage.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
What the serious hell, dude? An honest reading and presentation of what I said will NEVER render such garbage.

Simple question. Do you think anyone say 16 and under should be able to make the decision to have a complete sex change?

At what age should they be able to make that decision?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Simple question. Do you think anyone say 16 and under should be able to make the decision to have a complete sex change?

At what age should they be able to make that decision?
One strawman after another.

When you do not know ask politely. I am sure that @Shadow Wolf would gladly inform you much better than I can if you dropped the strawman arguments and asked her politely about trans people.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
One strawman after another.

When you do not know ask politely. I am sure that @Shadow Wolf would gladly inform you much better than I can if you dropped the strawman arguments and asked her politely about trans people.

This is not a straw man....

"Simple question. Do you think anyone say 16 and under should be able to make the decision to have a complete sex change?

At what age should they be able to make that decision?"


If you think it is..explian why you think it is instead of crying foul.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Simple question. Do you think anyone say 16 and under should be able to make the decision to have a complete sex change?

At what age should they be able to make that decision?
That's not for me to decide. That is for that individual and the team of providers involved. That is for researchers to investigate and uncover.
But I can say at 16 for ns it wouldn't have been a bad thing. Or maybe not. Coukd be a reason it's not good at that age but I don't know. I haven't actually researched that specific issue.
 
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