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Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had priests come to her San Francisco home to preform an "exorcism

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Exactly, as the Church's position long ago was that abortion was not to be done after "quickening" [noticeable movement], which was not usually until around the beginning of the 2nd trimester. So, what did they think was growing inside the woman, a turnip?
You know I believe. Before the soul entered it would have been a human body, but a soulless one. So at that point no different from an animal.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think you are badly twisting what Trump actually said.
No, SW did not twist the words as it's abundantly clear what Trump said, and it wasn't the first or the last time, let me tell ya. On top of that, his actions also proved the point, and he has even bragged about it.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
OK, here's my take with some explanation:

If I use the true case of a 10-year-old girl in Ohio who got pregnant through a relative as an example, am I to force her to carry to term even though this could permanently harm her physically and maybe psychologically? How is it that I supposedly have that right to make the decision for her, including the fact that I don't even know her?

What's next, am I going to dictate to a woman that she must supposedly have an operation because it might save her life? Am I to tell her which meds she must take?

During the 60's and 70's, a great many denominations, included mine, supported the Vietnam "War", so how is it that losing over 50,000 Americans and heaven knows how many innocent Vietnamese were killed? Does one think Jesus would approve of our actions, and if so, please quote chapter & verse from the Gospel.

I'm ol-- er, I mean mature-- enough to remember the girls and women when abortions were illegal committing suicide, wanting their boyfriend to punch them in the abdomen, coat-hanger abortions, and ruined lives. Is that what we want to return to?

Bottom line: I simply cannot make such a decision for a woman because it's her body and well-being that's involved, not mine. If she asks my opinion on whether to continue with the pregnancy, I would recommend she do so if possible, but I simply cannot go so far as to dictate what she supposedly must do.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
As an addendum to my lost post:

If a woman gets an abortion, should she be put on trial for 1st degree [premeditated] murder as some claim it is? Should she be executed or given life without parole?

After all, if one says abortion is murder, isn't the above its logical conclusion?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
No, SW did not twist the words as it's abundantly clear what Trump said, and it wasn't the first or the last time, let me tell ya. On top of that, his actions also proved the point, and he has even bragged about it.

Yep. The actual video can be found on youtube where he also brags about trying to **** a married woman
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I directly quoted him. Porn stars, extra-marital affairs, sexual assualt, there's nothing even remotely Christ like there.
Surely.
I don't think that's what makes a POTUS good or bad. Because Obama may be the most faithful husband ever and the best family man ever, but he remains a very bad ruler in my eyes.
He did unspeakable things.

So Trump is 100 times better than Obama, for sure.
Religiosity plays a relative role in politics.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
But his religion is probably other than Christianity)
Whatever. He's a Christian. It's pathetic this right wing nonsense still lives.
And, yes, that was a part of their xenophobia and racism. It's so bad this group actually makes a fuss over his race and demanding and insisting he isn't really black (never mind the fact black people tend to accept him as black).
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Why do you defend those who hate transgender people? Trump was such a **** as president he banned government medical research groups from even using the term transgender.

Indeed. If I said that Obama is 100 times worse (and Trump is excessively conservative), this means he's worse than ever.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Sexual assault?

Maybe you directly quoted him, but you cut the context out to make it look bad.
He looks like someone unsafe for women to be around when you add the full context of "when you're famous you can just walk up to women and grab them by the *****. They just let you do it." That is wickedness, that is saying it's ok to casually sexuall assault women. Even the Devil has to have more class than that and be better behaved to win the world over.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
He looks like someone unsafe for women to be around when you add the full context of "when you're famous you can just walk up to women and grab them by the *****. They just let you do it." That is wickedness, that is saying it's ok to casually sexuall assault women. Even the Devil has to have more class than that and be better behaved to win the world over.

I think he tells the truth, if person is rich or famous, many women let people to do such things. I don't think it means it is ok, it means only that people who are famous are allowed to do many bad things without problems. The problems usually comes only after person is not anymore on the same side with the tyrannical elite and needs to be removed from their position.
 
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