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Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had priests come to her San Francisco home to preform an "exorcism

1213

Well-Known Member

I don't trust Wikipedia, I think it will tell what ever lie "democRats" demand. But for arguments sake we can use that. It says:

"David DePape, a 42-year-old Canadian citizen, was arrested at the scene. He reportedly planned to take Speaker Pelosi hostage and interrogate her. State prosecutors believe the attack to be politically motivated. DePape had a history of mental health issues and drug abuse; prior to the attack, he had embraced various far-right conspiracy theories, including QAnon, Pizzagate, and Donald Trump's false claims of a stolen election in 2020. Online, he made conspiratorial, racist, sexist, and antisemitic posts, and pushed COVID-19 vaccine misinformation. His blog also contained delusional thoughts.... ...San Francisco Police Department officers quickly arrived at the Pelosi residence[15] and knocked on the door at 2:31 a.m.[5][7] Pelosi opened the door.[5] From outside the house,[16] police observed DePape and Pelosi struggling for a hammer at the entryway.... ...he had overstayed his visa in the United States.......After police ordered the two men to drop the weapon, DePape took the hammer and "violently attacked" the 82-year-old Pelosi with a single blow.[17][19][20] Police then tackled and arrested DePape.... ...Party affiliation records note DePape to be a Green Party member as of 2014; according to Taub, he was "more on the far left than the far right" during their relationship.[57][48] Experts on extremism and terrorism say that such shifts in views — from left-wing fringe movements to the far-right — can be held as "side switching", a fairly common phenomenon among persons who are radicalized online, who shift between "mutually exclusive or hostile ideologies" through "bridging areas" such as antisemitism, anti-government stance, and misogynist beliefs."

So, we are to believe that the attacker was a Canadian illegal alien Trump supporter with mental health issues and drug problem and background in green party. And that he attacked Pelosi with hammer, because wanted to interrogate Nancy. Yet Paul opened the door while fighting with DePape. I think the story is illogical and not believable.

But, maybe the problem is that I just have overestimated the intelligence of green party members. :D
 

1213

Well-Known Member
So, do you honestly think that Trump "speaks" more closely to what Jesus taught than Biden? ...

Yes, and I think Trump especially acts more like Jesus. However, I don't claim Trump is close to the level of Jesus, just closer than Biden.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Yes, and I think Trump especially acts more like Jesus. However, I don't claim Trump is close to the level of Jesus, just closer than Biden.
Was Jesus a lying narcissist who favored the wealthy and dishonest business practices while sexually assaulting women?
You might want to drop to your knees immediately and pray profusely for forgiveness for uttering such blasphemy.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I don't trust Wikipedia,
I suspect you don't trust anything that doesn't affirm your goofy ideology and cartoon narrative.
You detest facts and logic because your belief system crumbles beneath them.
Objective analysis and critical thinking are your friends.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The difference is that the evangelists and fundies try to turn their goofball beliefs into laws that restrict the rights and freedoms of others
That's not a difference, eg, AOC's wanting to
ditch capitalism. Talk about a loss of freedom!
And back in the day, Hillary wanted to make
private health care illegal. They're not alone
in having an authoritarian bent....liberals just
can't recognize this in themselves.

You can argue that one is worse than the other
based upon your values, but you cannot dismiss
the fact that the left also wants to curb liberties.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
That's not a difference, eg, AOC's wanting to
ditch capitalism. Talk about a loss of freedom!
And back in the day, Hillary wanted to make
private health care illegal. They're not alone
in having an authoritarian bent....liberals just
can't recognize this in themselves.

You can argue that one is worse than the other
based upon your values, but you cannot dismiss
the fact that the left also wants to curb liberties.
"The left" isn't homogenous or monolithic.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Are you really arguing that only religious fundies
seek to impose their views on others?
No, I said, and I quote, that reasonable positions are more appropriate for legislation than religious beliefs. Such as, I'm sure you'd agree the secular reasons for ending racial segregation are far superior for a reason of forcing that on society than the religious hocus pocus and threats of an angry god that forced segregation on society.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Yes, and I think Trump especially acts more like Jesus. However, I don't claim Trump is close to the level of Jesus, just closer than Biden.
Where in the bluest hells did Jesus condon "grab them by the *****"? No, Jesus said when a man looks upon a woman with lust he has already committed adultery in his heart.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, I said, and I quote, that reasonable positions are more appropriate for legislation than religious beliefs.
What's reasonable to one, is wrong to another.
I see many leftish posters here arguing for things
like higher taxes, speech restriction, banning
capitalism, etc in the name of Christianity. Oddly,
they criticize the right for not being enuf like Jesus.
Religion is religion, whether overt or subtle.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
What's reasonable to one, is wrong to another.
I see many leftish posters here arguing for things
like higher taxes, speech restriction, banning
capitalism, etc in the name of Christianity. Oddly,
the criticize the right for not being enuf like Jesus.
Religion is religion, whether overt or subtle.
And I don't know why you seem to be putting it there. I already said it has no place in legislation but that secular and well reasoned positions are what is best for legislation.
After all, even if Libertarians won every seat in the nation next year they would ultimately still be pushing their beliefs on others, like Christians who think everything their pastor hates should be banned.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Okay, so the priest at her home church is a bit on the evil side. Why should that surprise anyone one? She did not seem to have any problems in Rome:

Pelosi takes communion at papal Mass, defying some U.S. bishops

And she has no problems in Washington D.C. I guess that God isn't all that picky everywhere.
No, she's on the evil side for supporting abortion and working to keep or make it legal, which Catholics are not allowed to do at all if they wish to be considered a Catholic in good standing. It's a mortal sin on the same level as murder. The Archbishop is simply enforcing Church law. That other senior clergy don't have the spine to do so is their own failure. Biden should be banned from Communion, too, for the same reasons.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And I don't know why you seem to be putting it there. I already said it has no place in legislation but that secular and well reasoned positions are what is best for legislation.
Secular beliefs of the faithful are
typically rooted in their religion.
After all, even if Libertarians won every seat in the nation next year they would ultimately still be pushing their beliefs on others...
The difference...
We push the belief of
less pushing of beliefs on others.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
No, she's on the evil side for supporting abortion and working to keep or make it legal, which Catholics are not allowed to do at all if they wish to be considered a Catholic in good standing. It's a mortal sin on the same level as murder. The Archbishop is simply enforcing Church law. That other senior clergy don't have the spine to do so is their own failure. Biden should be banned from Communion, too, for the same reasons.
No, she is still in the right since no one on the antiabortion side can come up with a rational, or even Christian argument for their beliefs. And since those beliefs hurt others considerably they are evil beliefs.
 
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