Thy Kingdom Come

[Wildswanderer]

Are ordinary people able to be as close to God as a prophet? No.

Why not?

 

[muhammad_isa]

I'm not sure one has to accept the life of a "normal person." to be saved...Whatever normal is..

In the context of wealth, "normal" is the median income of the whole world adult population, which would be ~$900 US monthly

..or one could look at it in the light of "normal" for their own country
~$6000 monthly in US

3 billion people in the world live on less than $2 a day.
It is not rocket-science to see that something is awry.

Sometimes it's very hard for a poor person not to be jealous of the rich, so that's just another form of valuing money too much..

It can be, but not necessarily.
If one person has nothing to eat or homeless, and they see others with more than their fair share, it is bound to cause bad feeling.
We are only human.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

is capitalism part of the heavenly ideal? can a rich person enter into heaven?

Sure a rich person can enter Heaven if he does Not make his riches as his god. - 1 Corinthians 10:12
When asking for God's Kingdom to come ( thy kingdom come ..... Daniel 2:44-45) we are asking for God's theocratic- ruled government under Christ Jesus for a thousand years to come ! - Revelation 22:20
Come and bring 'healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2.
Healing to the point that No one will say, "I am sick......" - Isaiah 33:24.
Earth and its people will be happy-and-healthy as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
Then, even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8
ALL of the ^ above ^ is a good reason to pray to God for Jesus to come !

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why not?

For the same reason that Jesus explained to us .. we are all sinners subject to temptation.
"Sons of God" are extra-ordinary, in as much as they are closer to God than the rest of us.

If you think that you can "make the grade", then fine.
..but my experience is that the closer I get to God, the more satan causes me to fall.

We can only persevere in righteousness, and not be extreme.
Extremes cause imbalance and failure.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If heaven is a place where everyone is self-reliant, responsible, hard-working, productive... I mean what qualities define refined, perfected beings for everyone?

I suppose for everyone one could start with the qualities found listed at Galatians 5:22-23.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

.....Do you believe Abraham was rich? And would he be in Heaven?

Since Heaven was Not opened up to anyone who died before Jesus died (John 3:13) then like rich King David (Acts of the Apostles 2:34) then Abraham and all those people named in God's 'Hall of Fame' in Hebrews chapter 11 are Not promised Heaven but promised an earthly resurrection - Hebrews 11:13,39.
When wealthy King David will be a prince on Earth under King Christ Jesus - Isaiah 32; Ezekiel 34:24; Psalms 45:16

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There's actually quite a bit in the Bible about God blessing people who are Godly with wealth..................

Job 42:10-16 for example

 

[URAVIP2ME]

how can a being have many mothers unless reincarnation is true?...................

Because Mark 10:29-30 is taking into consideration missionaries to foreign assignments.
There they will find they have replacements for their natural fleshly family.
People would be like mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, to them in their foreign assignments.

 

[Kenny]

Why would you ask such a question?
What is it supposed to prove?

Are ordinary people able to be as close to God as a prophet? No.
Temptation .. better not to put it in front of us.
You might think that you are immune to the devil's whisperings,
but I certainly don't think that I am!

I ask God not to give us a test that we cannot bear .. that we cannot pass. Amen.

LOL... so, what you are saying is that rich people actually can enter into the Kingdom of God.

Got it.

 

[Wildswanderer]

For the same reason that Jesus explained to us .. we are all sinners subject to temptation.
"Sons of God" are extra-ordinary, in as much as they are closer to God than the rest of us.

If you think that you can "make the grade", then fine.
..but my experience is that the closer I get to God, the more satan causes me to fall.

We can only persevere in righteousness, and not be extreme.
Extremes cause imbalance and failure.

Hmmm... From when I can recall, the prophets in the bible sometimes were not all that Holy, either.

 

[muhammad_isa]

LOL... so, what you are saying is that rich people actually can enter into the Kingdom of God.

Got it.

I've already said that rich people can, but not necessarily will.
I also have said that the Kingdom of God will be inhabited mostly by the poor.
In other words, we should be extremely careful in our dealings with wealth.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Hmmm... From when I can recall, the prophets in the bible sometimes were not all that Holy, either.

Indeed, some made mistakes .. particularly when they were young.
..so what about us?
Can we afford to be careless about something so important as wealth?
How we get it, and how we spend it?

Should we feel that having a big bank balance while billions of others have next to nothing is acceptable to God?
I don't think that it is.
None of us will have a strong faith unless we wish for others what we wish for ourselves.

 

[Fool]

Sure a rich person can enter Heaven if he does Not make his riches as his god. - 1 Corinthians 10:12
When asking for God's Kingdom to come ( thy kingdom come ..... Daniel 2:44-45) we are asking for God's theocratic- ruled government under Christ Jesus for a thousand years to come ! - Revelation 22:20
Come and bring 'healing ' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2.
Healing to the point that No one will say, "I am sick......" - Isaiah 33:24.
Earth and its people will be happy-and-healthy as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
Then, even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8
ALL of the ^ above ^ is a good reason to pray to God for Jesus to come !

Love is not exclusive to a particular person. You can do all these things and more if you believe.

The failure is depending and believing it's someone else's responsibility. It isn't.

Babylon has fallen

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Love is not exclusive to a particular person. You can do all these things and more if you believe. The failure is depending and believing it's someone else's responsibility. It isn't. Babylon has fallen

Right, it is one's own responsibility to not fall away - 1 Corinthians 10:12; 9:27; Matthew 24:13; Mark 13:13.
Yes, Babylon the Great, the Babylonish-like religion that rides the political backs has fallen - Revelation 17

 

[Kenny]

I've already said that rich people can, but not necessarily will.
I also have said that the Kingdom of God will be inhabited mostly by the poor.
In other words, we should be extremely careful in our dealings with wealth.

And, according to my signature, poor people can also be in Heaven but not necessarily will. It is the heart that makes the difference.

 

[1213]

Serving all is not the same as self serving. Meritocracy is based on skill, or talent for being responsible for a lot more than just self. Capitalizing for only self interest isn't the same thing.

I think self serving and serving others can be the same. But, if I understand you correctly, the example was not capitalism? If so, then perhaps capitalism is not heavenly idea. However, it means also then that it is not necessary a problem, if person becomes rich. Problem can be, if the riches begins to rule the person, because:

No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. You aren’t able to serve God and mammon
Luke 16:13

 

[Wildswanderer]

Can we afford to be careless about something so important as wealth?
How we get it, and how we spend it?

No, we should manage our money wisely, whether we have a little or a lot.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..It is the heart that makes the difference.

Indeed, it is all about our heart .. our intentions.

I do not believe that G-d wants us to give all our wealth away, and become impoverished.
..but I also do not believe that we should strive to build up a big bank balance, ignoring those that are poorer than ourselves.

 

[Kenny]

I think self serving and serving others can be the same. But, if I understand you correctly, the example was not capitalism? If so, then perhaps capitalism is not heavenly idea. However, it means also then that it is not necessary a problem, if person becomes rich. Problem can be, if the riches begins to rule the person, because:

No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other. You aren’t able to serve God and mammon
Luke 16:13

Well said.