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Torment and Hell

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
If a being is cast into hell, how can there be any torment without an earthly body?

There can't without a physical body.

At first I was thinking mental torment but that would require a physical brain.
So unless "God" plans to recreate a physical body for us, God is out of luck if they plan on doing any tormenting after we die.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
There can't without a physical body.

At first I was thinking mental torment but that would require a physical brain.
So unless "God" plans to recreate a physical body for us, God is out of luck if they plan on doing any tormenting after we die.

And even if he does create a physical body - I'm not sure how that torment can be eternal. Either we would get accustomed to it, and it wouldn't be torment at all, or the torment would go too far and we would basically "die" again.
 

muhammad_isa

Well-Known Member
..Either we would get accustomed to it, and it wouldn't be torment at all, or the torment would go too fer and we would basically "die" again.
Mmm, and then be made again, and then die .. ad infinitum. :eek:

I find myself alive and aware now, I have no reason to think that it cannot happen again.
I do not know where "I" came from or where I am going to.
These things are hidden from me.
The passing of time is a perception .. a perception while we are trapped in this space-time continuum.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
If a being is cast into hell, how can there be any torment without an earthly body?
It is the soul that suffers, not the body, but I don't believe that anyone is cast into hell.
I believe people send themselves to hell by virtue of their own actions and beliefs.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
There can't without a physical body.
You never heard of the torment of the soul? Physical suffering is only one kind of suffering, there is also mental anguish. The soul is associated with the mind while we live in a physical body, but after the physical body dies, the soul becomes associated with a spiritual body and continues its life as before, with full consciousness, since it is the soul that is responsible for consciousness.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
There can't without a physical body.

At first I was thinking mental torment but that would require a physical brain.
So unless "God" plans to recreate a physical body for us, God is out of luck if they plan on doing any tormenting after we die.
Intelligence doesn't require a brain. And yes it's spiritual/mental torment. A brain only transceives. It doesn't create intelligence or consciousness
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Intelligence doesn't require a brain. And yes it's spiritual/mental torment. A brain only transceives. It doesn't create intelligence or consciousness

Sure, I'll wait for any proof you have to support your claim.

Oh, and happy birthday. :)
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Sure, I'll wait for any proof you have to support your claim.

Oh, and happy birthday. :)
dead people have brains. They also have hearts but neither works. Because they don't have electrical impulses stimulating them anymore.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
If a being is cast into hell, how can there be any torment without an earthly body?

"Torment" is defined as severe physical or mental suffering.
The soul and mind can still exist after the body has been destroyed.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
dead people have brains. They also have hearts but neither works. Because they don't have electrical impulses stimulating them anymore.

There is a period of decay. Is a brain/heart that is no longer living still a brain/heart or just a leftover set of physical elements left to decompose when we die...
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
You never heard of the torment of the soul? Physical suffering is only one kind of suffering, there is also mental anguish. The soul is associated with the mind while we live in a physical body, but after the physical body dies, the soul becomes associated with a spiritual body and continues its life as before, with full consciousness, since it is the soul that is responsible for consciousness.

I don't believe consciousness can exist without a physical brain.
It maybe a hopeful belief but there is no evidence/reason to believe such is possible.

You are free to believe anything that can't be falsified of course but it seems pointless to me since what can be believed is endless possibilities without something other than hope to support it.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
And even if he does create a physical body - I'm not sure how that torment can be eternal. Either we would get accustomed to it, and it wouldn't be torment at all, or the torment would go too far and we would basically "die" again.

Yes, I suspect any torment that maybe experienced will be self induced.
I wonder if God can torment me if I choose not to be tormented.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
And you won't probably ever believe that until you die and realize that you still exist and are fully conscious.

And what is wrong with that?
Why should I believe anything about which I have no experience with?
We humans are very ignorant about that which lies beyond our experience.

I have believed many things which have turned out to be wrong.
Belief is not a good indication of what is true.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And what is wrong with that?
Why should I believe anything about which I have no experience with?
I am not saying that you should believe there is an afterlife unless you have a 'reason' to believe it

You are not going to have any direct 'experience' with the afterlife until you die and experience it, so if you want to wait till then that is your choice.
 
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