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101G

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Your demonstrable ill will should not go without comment. When you accuse an Orthodox rabbi of not knowing the Hebrew of the Tanakh and of being ignorant of the psalms the only thing you accomplish is nothing other than exposing your own inadequacies and ignorance.
Oh Orthodox rabbi are immunize against being WRONG? now Psalms 110:1 have God in an ECHAD of ONE person as LORD, and Lord. which are Ordinal Designations of First and Last, am I wrong then?. if so correct me if I'm in ERROR, else wise what I said stands.

101G.
 

101G

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1 Samuel 2:3

Isaiah 2:11, Isaiah 2:17, Isaiah 10:33, Isaiah 13:11, Isaiah 16:6

Jeremiah 48:29

Proverbs 8:13, Proverbs 16:18, Proverbs 18:12, Proverbs 21:4
and? now what about Isaiah 66:22 and Revelation 21:5..... :D

101G.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
in her marriage, yes, and no, it's not. he's grown also. reproved again.

according to WHO? is she not a woman?

get it right, "legal BIRTH mother",

This son of Man has EVERLASTING LIFE..... :D YIKES!

that's not his Family..... lol, who is my Mother and brothers...... lol, reproved again.

he is a plurality of, of, of, of, himself. that's bible, not 101G.

No he did not, next.

Super IGNORANCE.

Jews included...... :D

he wrote the rules.

KNOW YOUR BIBLE BETTER

101G.
Just to let you know, going back over a few things, the word translated eternal does not always mean without beginning. Just a headsup, if you would like to research that. :)
 

101G

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Just to let you know, going back over a few things, the word translated eternal does not always mean without beginning. Just a headsup, if you would like to research that.
ERROR, beginning is included. have you not read, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." IN, IN, IN, ... not AT the beginning, for eternity has no beginning, nor end...... try again.

101G.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
all creatures that walk have the breath of God in them.
However you choose to describe it, it is "soul" in scripture.
now you have never address Isaiah 66:22, God is making the NEW HEAVENS, or is it someone else?
I have answered twice already. I'll try again. Isaiah 66:22 has YHVH speaking. Yes, that is God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the sole creator of everything, God of the plagues, redeemer of Israel. It is not a person, not son-of-man, not Jesus, not a plurality.
nor u address if this is the same one in Revelation 21:5 who is making the NEW HEAVENS, and EARTH.
I addressed this at length. I'll try again. I have no reason to believe that Revelations is accurate in anyway. If I pretend it is for the sake of discussion, it sounds like the author is trying to describe God in physical terms, but it's just a metaphor not an exact description of who or what God is.
until you can answer me your Hebrew is Obsolete. you cannot tell who your God is.... at all. if he's the creator of the NEW world and you cannot acknowledge him, that says a lot about ...... YOUR GOD, or no God.
God can be described by what God does and says. Not by what God looks like in visions and in dreams. If you need scriptural proof of this, look at Daniel 7. The beasts are not literal beasts, they represent kingdoms. The form of a man approaching a throne is also not a literal man, but also represents a nation. These interpretations are not mine, they are literally given in the chapter immediately after the visions are described. The same is true for Pharoah's dream. The 7 wasting cows represent years not literal cows, etc.. Not my interpretation, that's what scripture says. Thus, Revelations 21 probably follows that same pattern. God is not literally sitting on a throne. God is not a literal person. But it makes it easier to imagine God that way, so, in a vision or a dream God might be represented as a king on a throne.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
you can stay with the animals....... (smile).... lol, lol, lol,

191G.
You have brought 3 arguments trying to show that God is a person. Each one fails.

1) You said that God is a person because God has a soul. FALSE. Animals also have a soul, so having a soul does not define a person.

2) You said that God is person because God is described as "he". FALSE. Animals also are described as "he", so being called "he" doesn't define a person.

3) You assume that if God is described in a vision or dream as having human features that the vision or dream is accurately defining God as a person. FALSE. The vision Daniel had described a literal beast which represented something else entirely.

Strike 1, Strike 2, Strike 3. And you're still ignoring Numbers 23:19. God is not a person.
 

101G

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I have answered twice already. I'll try again. Isaiah 66:22 has YHVH speaking. Yes, that is God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the sole creator of everything, God of the plagues, redeemer of Israel. It is not a person, not son-of-man, not Jesus, not a plurality.
Good, progress, we got a full sentence out of u. now one more step, is this your YHVH in Revelation 21:5 who makes all things new? yes or no

remember there is only ONE who makes all things NEW. so is this your YHVH here in Revelation 21:5? your answer please.

101G
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
and? now what about Isaiah 66:22 and Revelation 21:5..... :D

101G.
And? Your haughty attitude is cleary not encouraged in our shared scripture.

I have answered your questions several times about Isaiah 66:22 and Revelations 21:5.
 

101G

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And? Your haughty attitude is cleary not encouraged in our shared scripture.
our? ...... no God's scriptures. so, u cannot acknowledge your God as the CREATOR of the NEW WORLD? thought so. ..... NEXT

and for haughty attitude, u know what I'm about to say about personal opinions..... :rolleyes: YIKES!'

101G.

if u cannot acknowledge the TRUE and LIVING God ... why are we talking? ,,,, see ya.:cool:
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Oh Orthodox rabbi are immunize against being WRONG? now Psalms 110:1 have God in an ECHAD of ONE person as LORD, and Lord. which are Ordinal Designations of First and Last, am I wrong then?. if so correct me if I'm in ERROR, else wise what I said stands.

101G.
Yes, you're wrong. You're mistranslating the Psalm.

Psalm 110:1 properly translated is:

לְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ

Of David a song: Declare YHVH to my master: stay at my right until I make your enemies a footstool to your feet.

King David is requesting that YHVH recall the memory of Abraham ( the one whom the nations called "my master", Genesis 23:6 ) and make King David's enemies YHVH's enemies, and help King David to defeat them the same way that Abraham defeated the Kings in the story in Genesis.

 

101G

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Yes, you're wrong. You're mistranslating the Psalm.

Psalm 110:1 properly translated is:

לְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ

Of David a song: Declare YHVH to my master: stay at my right until I make your enemies a footstool to your feet.

King David is requesting that YHVH recall the memory of Abraham ( the one whom the nations called "my master", Genesis 23:6 ) and make King David's enemies YHVH's enemies, and help King David to defeat them the same way that Abraham defeated the Kings in the story in Genesis.
ERROR, the Lord Jesus made it very clear. Matthew 22:41 "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them," Matthew 22:42 "Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David." Matthew 22:43 "He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,"Matthew 22:44 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?"Matthew 22:46 "And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."

this is direct from Psalms 110:1 so you're in ERROR.... NEXT.

101G.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Good, progress, we got a full sentence out of u.
Please be honest. I have answered you several times in detail.

First answer: :handpointdown:

First of all, God is not a person. You keep ignoring Numbers 23:19.

Isaiah 66:22: there's just 1 God there, no plurality, no son-of-man, no Jesus. What are you imagining here?

Revelations is irrelevent to what Isaiah is preaching. If it speaks about multiple gods, I wouldn't be surprised, I mean, it's not part of the Hebrew bible.

Second Answer: :handpointdown:

And I answered. There is no "person" in Isaiah 66:22, no son-of-man, no Jesus, no plurality, just YHVH.

I also said Revelations is irrelevent to what Isaiah is preaching. But since you insist, Revelations 21 is a vision, it's a human rendered, aka imagined, representation of God. Sometimes people need a metaphor to communicate abstract concepts. It doesn't mean that the abstract concept suddenly becomes material. It just means that sometimes communication requires bringing an idea into physical dimensions.

Taking the metaphor literally is making a graven image in the mind. It's a crutch, it makes God easier to relate to. If you want a relatable god, I can understand imagining that god in a human form. It's incorrect per the Hebrew bible, but, people do what they do.

Like I said before, it's easy to get confused about the nature of the divine when reading Jewish scripture. There's different names, and different ways that God is revealed to the Jewish people. As a result, the Jewish people repeatedly transgressed, and Isaiah came at a time of crisis to clarify and rebuke.

Isaiah 45:5-6. There is no plurality in the divine. None. That is what Isaiah says. If your theology disagrees, then your theology disagrees with Isaiah.

Note from Isaiah 45:6... "there is NONE beside me". If you like to take things literally, this is pretty clear. No divine mediator, no angelic 2nd in command, no other divine "persons", NONE means none.

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is this your YHVH in Revelation 21:5 who makes all things new? yes or no

It could be. I have no reason to believe Revelations is true. If it is, the vision of God on a throne would be just a metaphor in the vision, not an accurate description of what God actually is.
remember there is only ONE who makes all things NEW. so is this your YHVH here in Revelation 21:5? your answer please.
It could be.
 

101G

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It could be.
LOL, LOL, LOL, there is only ONE CREATOR, and you said it could be..... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear. u really don't KNOW, do u? :eek:

it's GOD, who is JESUS that make all things NEW.

u went around the world and still didn't know... lol, lol, oh my I never laugh so hard.

next, .... please NEXT..... p,lease

101G.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
our? ...... no God's scriptures. so, u cannot acknowledge your God as the CREATOR of the NEW WORLD? thought so. ..... NEXT
In Isaiah 66:22 it is certainly YHVH because that's what the text says.

כִּ֣י כַֽאֲשֶׁ֣ר הַשָּׁמַ֣יִם הַֽ֠חֳדָשִׁים וְהָאָ֨רֶץ הַֽחֲדָשָׁ֜ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר אֲנִ֥י עֹשֶׂ֛ה עֹֽמְדִ֥ים לְפָנַ֖י נְאֻם־יְהֹוָ֑ה כֵּ֛ן יַֽעֲמֹ֥ד זַרְעֲכֶ֖ם וְשִׁמְכֶֽם

"For, as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making, stand before Me," says
YHVH, "so shall your seed and your name stand.

That much I have repeatedly acknowledged. You've ignored it. Not my problem.
and for haughty attitude, u know what I'm about to say about personal opinions..... :rolleyes: YIKES!'
I gave you a list of scripture. You ignored it. Here it is again:

1 Samuel 2:3

Isaiah 2:11, Isaiah 2:17, Isaiah 10:33, Isaiah 13:11, Isaiah 16:6

Jeremiah 48:29

Proverbs 8:13, Proverbs 16:18, Proverbs 18:12, Proverbs 21:4
if u cannot acknowledge the TRUE and LIVING God ... why are we talking? ,,,, see ya.:cool:
You can't support your claims. Running away makes sense.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
ERROR, the Lord Jesus made it very clear. Matthew 22:41 "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them," Matthew 22:42 "Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David." Matthew 22:43 "He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,"Matthew 22:44 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?" Matthew 22:45 "If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?"Matthew 22:46 "And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions."

this is direct from Psalms 110:1 so you're in ERROR.... NEXT.
It's easy to answer that question. King David calls asks YHVH to declare to the Abraham, who is known as "my master" in Genesis 23 to assist King David in spirit. The Jews at the time were simple folk who didn't have access to scripture the way that we do today. It was easy to fool/stump those simple Jews. Not so much today.

And, I'm not wrong in the translation. It's word for word, in order, literal translation. King David was inspired by the story of Abraham how he defeatd the Kings and was blessed by Malchi-tzedek.

Answer me this: when was Jesus ever blessed by Malchi-tzedek? When did they meet, when did they speak? Answer: never. Paul goes through all kinds of insanity trying to make it work out. But the truth is, Psalms 110:4 CANNOT be Jesus. Psalms 110 is a FAIL for you.
 

101G

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You can't support your claims. Running away makes sense.
LOL, LOL, LOL, ok, let's play... LOL.
now Psalms 110:1 the Lord there,

now this, Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."

the same Lord, the Christ in verse 1. definition.
Lord: H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]

KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

and H113 is the Lord in Psalms 110:1 ...... the same one person.
now I can care less what you come up with in your hebrew. if you have a problem with the definitions I just gave, take it up with mr. Mickelson's & mr. Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

the Lord in Psalms 110:1 is the same one who is "LORD" in verse 1.... :D

yes, who is Jesus, the Spirit/LORD, and in flesh/Lord. this is just 2 easy not to understand.

101G.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
LOL, LOL, LOL, there is only ONE CREATOR, and you said it could be..... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear. u really don't KNOW, do u? :eek:

it's GOD, who is JESUS that make all things NEW.

u went around the world and still didn't know... lol, lol, oh my I never laugh so hard.

next, .... please NEXT..... p,lease
What are the reasons to accept Revelations as word of God truth?

Certainly there's actual reasons that it's not just a fictional spin-off?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
LOL, LOL, LOL, ok, let's play... LOL.
now Psalms 110:1 the Lord there,

now this, Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."

the same Lord, the Christ in verse 1. definition.
Lord: H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]

KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

and H113 is the Lord in Psalms 110:1 ...... the same one person.
now I can care less what you come up with in your hebrew. if you have a problem with the definitions I just gave, take it up with mr. Mickelson's & mr. Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.

the Lord in Psalms 110:1 is the same one who is "LORD" in verse 1.... :D

yes, who is Jesus, the Spirit/LORD, and in flesh/Lord. this is just 2 easy not to understand.

101G.
You skipped verse 4. Verse 4 shows Psalm 110 is not about Jesus.

I have no problem with the definition you brought. Yes, King David is asking YHVH to act on his behalf. One of the ways that God is described is using the name Adonai. It's a more down-to-earth designation. It signifies dominion where as YHVH describes eternity. King David is asking YHVH to dominate his enemies. It's similar to what is said in verse 1, but not quite the same. King David is simply inspired by the story of Abraham. First he appeals to God as eternal, then he appeals to God's domination.
 

101G

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What are the reasons to accept Revelations as word of God truth?

Certainly there's actual reasons that it's not just a fictional spin-off?
the same reason why we accdept the OT scriptures, because God is in US.
NEXT,

101G.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
You skipped verse 4. Verse 4 shows Psalm 110 is not about Jesus.
your opinion? ........ :p

I have no problem with the definition you brought. Yes, King David is asking YHVH to act on his behalf.
ERROR.
One of the ways that God is described is using the name Adonai. It's a more down-to-earth designation. It signifies dominion. It's similar to what is said in verse 1, but not quite the same.
another ERROR.

I have never seen so much ERROR

101G.
 
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