"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[samtonga43]

Again, non-specific queries…. representative of an auto-bot!

Soapy, when will you respond to my question about your claim that a lawyer prays to a judge, and that 3rdAngel prays to you? Why are you running away?

 

[samtonga43]

When someone points out that you need to do better than to be rude and you disagree with that it does not look good for you. And then to back it up with another apparently false claim looks even worse.

This depends on the identity of the person doing the pointing out.

What is so hard about being polite? Why do you think that it is a bad idea?

False assumption. Think about it.

Why? If anything Spiderman is often superior to the Bible.

In what way?

With great power comes great responsibility.

Copied from Scripture

Is that all? How about the Adam and Eve myth? How about Noah and his magic boat? Let's not forget the world's biggest fish story. Ooh and Luke's ten year pregnancy. The list goes on and on and on.

I answered your question, SZ.

No, you have not. And your above example fails because for once you did it correctly. You said " you appear to be assuming". Please note that you used a qualifier. That means that it looks that way to you.

Correct. You’re beginning to get the point now.

And you might want to take your last sentence and apply it to most of your posts.

I do. You should do likewise.

 

[samtonga43]

Incorrect, at one point I did. You are the confused one. You forgot that I owned up to my error. Meanwhile you have your own problems with the words.

You owned up to ONE of your errors. I have no problems with these words; just ask if you want some help with them.

 

[Soapy]

Your response here...

Well aren't you the funny one Soapy. Scripture was posted showing Gods' Sabbath is one of Gods' 10 commandments in Exodus 20:8-11 which in the new covenant, give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) and James says in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin, and you say that Gods' Word is rhetoric and autobot? I see you on autobot unwilling to address all the scriptures and post content provided to you that is in disagreement with you posting your words that are in argument with Gods' Words. Your argument therefore is with God not me dear friend.

No! My argument is with you.

I said that YOU were like an auto-bot in that you pick up on key words and appear to reply with pre-scripted sentences based on those key words and fire-back words and sentences.

 

[Soapy]

God created the heavens and earth in six days and rested on the seventh. The Sabbath Day is the seventh day, connected to when God rested. The 8th day or Sunday, would begins a new cycle of creation; new work week. Let there by light would have occurred on the first Sunday; day 1, so seven days add up to Saturday.

The question becomes how long did God rest, since a heavenly day is not necessarily the same as an earth day? Also, by the rules of the Sabbath, one is not supposed to work on the Sabbath. Who was working for God as God rested to recharge his batteries?

Like the human Sabbath, God would have made provisions for others to do the tasks that need to be done; feed the animals, as he rested. Such provisions were set up in Eden; tree of knowledge of good and evil and Satan appear. God warns Adam and Eve, but he does not stop them, because he was resting on the Sabbath. Adam and Eve end up in another place to be cared for, as God rested in paradise. They came to the earth ruled by Satan and law; Lord of the Earth.

When did/does the Sabbath rest of God end? There is no clear cut quote for this. However, this might be inferred by looking for God caliber creation appearing once again. The litmus test would need to be beyond what science can explain. This happens near the end of Revelations after the Rapture; Heavenly Jerusalem descends to the earth made of precious materials. There is nothing as spectacular as that, in the Bible, after the first six days of creation, until that time. This seems to suggest that God has gone back to work; day 8 or the second Sunday.

What is interesting is the Jews see Saturday as the Sabbath; day of rest as God rested, while the Christians see Sunday as their day of rest. This would mean the Christians; Gentiles, had to work on the Saturday Sabbath as God rested; supported the Jewish Sabbath. They got their day of rest; Sunday, when God comes back online, and starts his second work week. Wipes away all their tears.

In the end of Revelations, God creates a new heaven and earth. He is fully back online and decides to start from scratch and do it right the second time, without Satan. There is no more law, with the Tree of Life appearing again with its twelve type of fruits and leaves for healing the nations; software and firmware updated.

I did say to 3rdAngel that in the new world to come ‘all would be like the Jews as sons’ and therefore there would be one Sabbath Day.

At present, since the world is split up, any day which is taken as a ‘Day of Rest from weekly work’ is that persons SABBATH DAY… (re: ‘Day of Rest’).

But 3rdAngel argues that ALL MUST REST on the Sabbath Day given to the Jews (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) … but who do we see doing that today?

Christians (except JW, I think, and Seventh Day Adventist) take SUNDAY as their ‘DAY OF REST’… I fact, the largest community of people WORLDWIDE take SUNDAY as a ‘Special Day of Rest’…

I asked 3rdAngel if he thinks that God is angry with everyone (except…) for WORSHIPPING HIM ON SUNDAY AS THE WORLD’S SABBATH DAY…?

He does not reply to that question - nor the others that I asked him since he only kiss to accuse others of not answering him… even after many replies to him!!

 

[Soapy]

Soapy, when will you respond to my question about your claim that a lawyer prays to a judge, and that 3rdAngel prays to you? Why are you running away?

WHAT????!!!!!!

What question is that? That’s not a question - it’s stupidity!!!

The word ‘Pray’ means ‘Petition’. That what you do when you PRAY to Almighty God. Read the verses about the ‘The Lord’s Prayer’… what is it saying… asking:

• Address the high and mighty person you are speaking to - Laud them!
• Pray for forgiveness as a sinful soul
• Pray for your needs
• Close by re-addressing the high and mighty one

What does a lawyer say to a judge… how does he address the judge… what does he ask of the judge about the client?

Hmmm.. doesn’t seem a huge difference, eh!!

What the problem is, is that you associate the word ‘Pray’ with only ‘PETITIONING ALMIGHTY GOD’.
But that is not so… Petitioning is a NORMAL ACT for ANYONE who is asking a anyone for anything.

You just wrote to me: ‘I Pray you, when will you answer my question?’

Geddit??? (I beg you to understand!)

‘When you PETITION your Heavenly Father, say like this: …’

If you are lacking understanding of such a minor thing….!!

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Well aren't you the funny one Soapy. Scripture was posted showing Gods' Sabbath is one of Gods' 10 commandments in Exodus 20:8-11 which in the new covenant, give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) and James says in James 2:10-11 if we break anyone of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin, and you say that Gods' Word is rhetoric and autobot? I see you on autobot unwilling to address all the scriptures and post content provided to you that is in disagreement with you posting your words that are in argument with Gods' Words. Your argument therefore is with God not me dear friend.

Your response here...

No! My argument is with you.
I said that YOU were like an auto-bot in that you pick up on key words and appear to reply with pre-scripted sentences based on those key words and fire-back words and sentences.

I doubt it Soapy you are yet to make an argument that has not been proven to be false when tested against scripture and when challenged with scripture showing why what you post is not biblical you simply ignore it and do not respond to the post content and the scriptures provided in them that are in disagreement with you. So once again all you have are your words here arguing with Gods' Word (the scriptures) that are in disagreement with you that you are unwilling to address and choose to ignore. So your argument is with God not me.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

I did say to 3rdAngel that in the new world to come ‘all would be like the Jews as sons’ and therefore there would be one Sabbath Day.

At present, since the world is split up, any day which is taken as a ‘Day of Rest from weekly work’ is that persons SABBATH DAY… (re: ‘Day of Rest’).

But 3rdAngel argues that ALL MUST REST on the Sabbath Day given to the Jews (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) … but who do we see doing that today?

Christians (except JW, I think, and Seventh Day Adventist) take SUNDAY as their ‘DAY OF REST’… I fact, the largest community of people WORLDWIDE take SUNDAY as a ‘Special Day of Rest’…

I asked 3rdAngel if he thinks that God is angry with everyone (except…) for WORSHIPPING HIM ON SUNDAY AS THE WORLD’S SABBATH DAY…?

He does not reply to that question - nor the others that I asked him since he only kiss to accuse others of not answering him… even after many replies to him!!

You are not being truthful and seriously do not know scripture or what you are talking about as shown why in post # 1577 linked; post # 1578 linked; post # 1579 linked; post # 1580 linked; post # 1581 linked; post # 1582 linked and post # 1583 linked that prove why your view that the Sabbath is any day you want is not biblical. If you disagree with the linked posts prove why you disagree. If you cannot why make things up that are not supported in the bible? Doing that will only lead you away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Anyhow you are free to believe as you wish. According to Jesus we all answer to God for the words of God we accept or reject come judgement day (John 12:47-48). Are you not worried if what I am showing you from the scriptures in the bible from the linked posts you choose to ignore are true? You should be.

Take Care.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This depends on the identity of the person doing the pointing out.

True. but that would not be bad news for me.

False assumption. Think about it.

what assumption? I made none. Think about it.

In what way?

I have never seen him advocate for slavery. I have never seen him support the false doctrine of substitutionary atonement

Copied from Scripture

Really? What verse.

I answered your question, SZ.

Not really. Didn't you keep trying to justify the Noah's Ark myth and eventually ran away when you failed? Or was that someone else. At any rate you could have answered those questions again.

Correct. You’re beginning to get the point now.

Please, if you had a point you should have made it. Try again.

I do. You should do likewise.

LOL! Oh my. You should not try to play the Tu Quoque game. That fallacy is not very impressive.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You owned up to ONE of your errors. I have no problems with these words; just ask if you want some help with them.

If you find another I will own up to it.

 

[Soapy]

Your response here...

I doubt it Soapy you are yet to make an argument and when challenged with scripture showing why what you post is not biblical you simply ignore it and do not respond to the post content and the scriptures provided in them that are in disagreement with you. So once again all you have are your words here arguing with Gods' Word (the scriptures) that are in disagreement with you that you are unwilling to address and choose to ignore. So your argument is with God not me.

Take Care.

What scripture am I disagreeing with?

 

[Soapy]

Your not being truthful and seriously do not know scripture or what you are talking about as shown why in post # 1577 linked; post # 1578 linked; post # 1579 linked; post # 1580 linked; post # 1581 linked; post # 1582 linked and post # 1583 linked that prove why your view that the Sabbath is any day you want is not biblical. If you disagree with the linked posts prove why you disagree. If you cannot why make things up that are not supported in the bible? Doing that will only lead you away from God and His Word to break the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Anyhow you are free to believe as you wish. According to Jesus we all answer to God for the words of God we accept or reject come judgement day (John 12:47-48). Your not worried if what I am showing you from the scriptures in the bible from the linked posts you choose to ignore are true? You should be.

Take Care.

YOUR not making sense… are you?

• “YOUR”: belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing

You’re not making sense…

• “You're”: a contraction of the phrase ‘You are’

YOU’RE afraid to present what exactly it is that you claim is my error. I asked you many times now to present it exactly … without links….

Isn’t that simple enough if you really have a claim?

Yet, as easy as it should be to show your PROOF that I am in error, you CANNOT PRODUCE even a single claim… you just keep posting links to some obscure over lengthy squalid post.

It is simple: Just post EXACTLY what you want answers to… not links … the question… not links…

 

[3rdAngel]

What scripture am I disagreeing with?

Don't pretend Soapy. All the scriptures and post content that you refuse to respond to and address in post # 1577 linked; post # 1578 linked; post # 1579 linked; post # 1580 linked; post # 1581 linked; post # 1582 linked and post # 1583 linked that prove why your view that the Sabbath is any day you want is not biblical is in disagreement with you and pretty much all nearly everything you have posted about in our discussions throughout this thread that you refuse to address has already been sent to you more than once now.

 

[3rdAngel]

YOUR not making sense… are you?

• “YOUR”: belonging to or associated with the person or people that the speaker is addressing

You’re not making sense…

• “You're”: a contraction of the phrase ‘You are’

YOU’RE afraid to present what exactly it is that you claim is my error. I asked you many times now to present it exactly … without links….

Isn’t that simple enough if you really have a claim?

Yet, as easy as it should be to show your PROOF that I am in error, you CANNOT PRODUCE even a single claim… you just keep posting links to some obscure over lengthy squalid post.

It is simple: Just post EXACTLY what you want answers to… not links … the question… not links…

Thank you Mr Grammarly, I was tired and made typos last night. Thanks I edited my post of your to you are. You make greater mistakes than typos but lets not get side tracked (see post # 1351 linked). I am still waiting for you to respond to all the posts that prove from the scriptures, why your claim that the Sabbath is any day you like is unbiblical see post # 1577 linked; post # 1578 linked; post # 1579 linked; post # 1580 linked; post # 1581 linked; post # 1582 linked and post # 1583 linked. The linked posts you refuse to address are provided as evidence for all to see that your words have no truth in them. The linked posts are what you need to answer. Don't pretend you do not know as it has been brought up to you many times now in other posts

 

[AdamjEdgar]

Wow hasn't this thread descended into a tit for tat stoush.

Soapy I have to say, you are not responding to 3rd angel with supporting evidence.. that tells me immediately you are wrong in your assumptions and not really interested in debate. In a debate people usually need to support their arguments with good logical thinking and EVIDENCE.
Without evidence Soapy, youre resorting to nitpicking over spelling and grammar and it is pitiful....consequently, you are getting hammered.

 

[3rdAngel]

Soapy, when will you respond to my question about your claim that a lawyer prays to a judge, and that 3rdAngel prays to you? Why are you running away?

Exactly sis. This right here...

 

[3rdAngel]

Wow hasn't this thread descended into a tit for tat stoush.

Soapy I have to say, you are not responding to 3rd angel with supporting evidence.. that tells me immediately you are wrong in your assumptions and not really interested in debate. In a debate people usually need to support their arguments with good logical thinking and EVIDENCE.
Without evidence Soapy, youre resorting to nitpicking over spelling and grammar and it is pitiful....consequently, you are getting hammered.

Yea thanks Adam, I agree. Wish we can get back to discussing the OP. It seems no one wants to.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yea thanks Adam, I agree. Wish we can get back to discussing the OP. It seems no one wants to.

And there goes another irony meter. But any time you want to discuss why your approach fails I am open to doing so.

 

[samtonga43]

WHAT????!!!!!! What question is that? That’s not a question - it’s stupidity!!!

Well, there are actually two questions there, Soapy.
1. When will you respond to my question about your claim that a lawyer prays to a judge, and that 3rdAngel prays to you?
2. Why are you running away? (Answer to this is that at last you have stopped running and decided that you had better respond, or others will know that you ran away.

Oh, and about your ‘WHAT????!!!!!!’
You are attempting to express incredulity with all those
!s and ?s. You are fooling no one. Even you must know that you are using the word ‘pray’ ambiguously.

What’s more you are using this ambiguity to misrepresent the truth.

The word ‘Pray’ means ‘Petition’. That what you do when you PRAY to Almighty God.

So, when you ask someone to do something, you are praying to her/him? Let's see what this looks like:--
“I prayed to Soapy today. I asked him to please stop worrying about apostrophes”. Nope. That's just crazy.

What does a lawyer say to a judge… how does he address the judge… what does he ask of the judge about the client?

Addressing a judge ≠ praying to a judge. And what he asks of the judge would vary according to the case. This should be obvious.
3rdAngel asking you a question (or vice versa) does not mean that he is praying to you or that you are praying to him. Get a grip, Soapy!

You are the first person (Christian?)I have come across who equates Almighty, Everlasting God with a human being, however important the human being may be.

What the problem is, is that you associate the word ‘Pray’ with only ‘PETITIONING ALMIGHTY GOD’.
But that is not so… Petitioning is a NORMAL ACT for ANYONE who is asking a anyone for anything.

God is not ‘a anyone’(sic)

You just wrote to me: ‘I Pray you, when will you answer my question?’

No. Not true. If you quote me, please use my words – not yours. Asking a fellow poster to answer a question is not praying to her/him. You have built a kind of eisegesic strawman.
I would never pray to a person on an internet forum. Face it, Soapy, even you would not do such a thing. Do you think 3rdAngel knows that she is praying to the Almighty Soapy?

‘When you PETITION your Heavenly Father, say like this:

…’
I am not God, Soapy; 3rdAngel is not God; SZ is not God. And you, at the moment, are not rational.

 

[Soapy]

Thank you Mr Grammarly, I was tired and made typos last night. Thanks I edited my post of your to you are. You make greater mistakes than typos but lets not get side tracked (see post # 1351 linked). I am still waiting for you to respond to all the posts that prove from the scriptures, why your claim that the Sabbath is any day you like is unbiblical see post # 1577 linked; post # 1578 linked; post # 1579 linked; post # 1580 linked; post # 1581 linked; post # 1582 linked and post # 1583 linked. The linked posts you refuse to address are provided as evidence for all to see that your words have no truth in them. The linked posts are what you need to answer. Don't pretend you do not know as it has been brought up to you many times now in other posts

I do not need linked posts as evidence. I simply want you to list in single posts or in one post bulleted points of EXACTLY what you want me to answer about what you claim are incorrect claims of mine.

I stipulated that I want NO LINKS - Just the claims.

Also, I don’t want them in dialogue form… just bulleted direct form.

When you can do as you are asked you will get what you ask!