The UK is no longer majority Christian

[mikkel_the_dane]

Apart from you?

No, I just admit that I do it subjectively in the end.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't want another religion or no-religion to take over!
I want a secular state.

Britain is a secular state.
The non-secular states are outside of Europe, mostly.

 

[Altfish]

Britain is a secular state.
The non-secular states are outside of Europe, mostly.

No, it is not - it is a Christian Nation, in particular Church of England as opposed, to say, Catholic

 

[Altfish]

No, I just admit that I do it subjectively in the end.

So what word should I use to describe a country which is not dominated by a fading religious mantra

 

[Estro Felino]

No, it is not - it is a Christian Nation, in particular Church of England as opposed, to say, Catholic

In Britain, atheists are free to do whatever they like; nobody discriminates against them. It is illegal to discriminate against them. And by the way, the presence of bishops in the House of Lords is irrelevant.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So what word should I use to describe a country which is not dominated by a fading religious mantra

That your religion is metaphysically natural/neutral in effect, but that is not an objective fact and thus is non-science and thus for the demarcation belong to religion.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Because it was Andrew Copson saying it, it'll be religious schools funded by the state, our new monarch (Now that's another argument) being 'defender of the faith', our second chamber having 24 Bishops, the unfair influence of the church on matters such as abortion and assisted dying.

Since the U.K. probably has among the most liberal abortion laws in the world, what influence did the church - by which I imagine you mean the CoE - exercise there? And what evidence do you have that euthanasia would be legal here, where it not for the unfair influence of the church?

 

[Altfish]

In Britain, atheists are free to do whatever they like; nobody discriminates against them. It is illegal to discriminate against them. And by the way, the presence of bishops in the House of Lords is irrelevant.

No we are not.
Religious people can hold marriage ceremonies and sign off the paperwork - atheists can't despite being trained
My daughter couldn't get her children into the local school without having them Baptised.

The Bishops have a large influence, there are no priests, rabbis or non-religious positions.

 

[Altfish]

That your religion is metaphysically natural/neutral in effect, but that is not an objective fact and thus is non-science and thus for the demarcation belong to religion.

I do not have a religion despite you constantly harking on about it.
I have no creed, I don't attend services, I have not 'church', I have no sacred books, etc. etc.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I do not have a religion despite you constantly harking on about it.
I have no creed, I don't attend services, I have not 'church', I have no sacred books, etc. etc.

Yeah, I know. You use one subjective understanding of religion. I use another. But will you admit that yours is subjective?
Remember that is not debate, so it is not about right or wrong. It is about comparing different positions.

 

[Estro Felino]

No we are not.
Religious people can hold marriage ceremonies and sign off the paperwork - atheists can't despite being trained
My daughter couldn't get her children into the local school without having them Baptised.

The Bishops have a large influence, there are no priests, rabbis or non-religious positions.

Richard Dawkins was baptized too. He is an atheist, now.
It is not something shameful, being baptized.

 

[Altfish]

Yeah, I know. You use one subjective understanding of religion. I use another. But will you admit that yours is subjective?
Remember that is not debate, so it is not about right or wrong. It is about comparing different positions.

I stick with the Oxford dictionary definition of religion which is ...
"The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods"

How atheism or Humanism falls into that description, I don't know.

But the fact that you redefine it to suit your viewpoint does not make your viewpoint more valid

 

[Father Heathen]

But if another religion takes over, there will be not only "funded religious schools" but also less secularism.

Is this a thinly veiled insinuation that Muslim migrants will forcefully convert the British? A common theme along the far right.

 

[Altfish]

Richard Dawkins was baptized too. He is an atheist, now.
It is not something shameful, being baptized.

So was I.

BUT you stated that non-believers are not discriminated against, I gave a valid example of where they are, my grandchildren wouldn't be attending that school if they hadn't been baptised.

 

[Estro Felino]

So was I.

BUT you stated that non-believers are not discriminated against, I gave a valid example of where they are, my grandchildren wouldn't be attending that school if they hadn't been baptised.

Was it a public school?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I stick with the Oxford dictionary definition of religion which is ...
"The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods"

How atheism or Humanism falls into that description, I don't know.

But the fact that you redefine it to suit your viewpoint does not make your viewpoint more valid

Yeah, you win, because you deicide for all of us, right?
So here is another one:
Religion | Definition, Types, Beliefs, Symbols, Examples, Importance, & Facts

 

[Altfish]

Was it a public school?

A state funded school is a public school in UK - as opposed to a private school (Like Eton and Harrow)

 

[Estro Felino]

A state funded school is a public school in UK - as opposed to a private school (Like Eton and Harrow)

Anglican? Catholic?

 

[Father Heathen]

Richard Dawkins was baptized too. He is an atheist, now.
It is not something shameful, being baptized.

But it's an arbitrary waste of time to those who don't believe in it, and it is an insult to those it's imposed upon.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I would encourage folks to

1. read The Guardian article, and
2. familiarize themselves with argumentum ad populum.

(It's also an opportunity to add "conurbation" to one's vocabulary.)