"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

[3rdAngel]

What are you talking about? It does not matter if you believe me or not. You are trying to support a claim. I am only telling you how to do it? Do you need reference? I could gladly give them to you. You really have no idea if you are just brainwashed or following the truth.

What I have been talking about from the beginning with you, but sadly it seems you have closed your eyes to seeing and your ears to hearing scripture provided for context (post # 55) that do not agree with you in fulfillment of Isaiah 6:9-10). You were posted scripture context that does not agree with you and ignore scripture that does not agree with you so there is nothing further for us to talk about. Thanks for the discussion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope. It is you that is assuming, I am just providing you with scripture context that disagrees with you. You can choose to believe as you wish. That is between you and God. I do not judge you. It is the Words of God we accept or reject that become our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48

How am I assuming anything? It looks as if you are making a false idol of the Bible.

You really should study the Bible some day. That would mean studying its history too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope. It is you that is assuming, I am just providing you with scripture context that disagrees with you. You can choose to believe as you wish. That is between you and God. I do not judge you. It is the Words of God we accept or reject that become our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48

Sorry ,but you do not get to assume that Moses got it right.

The clear context is that those latter ten were the Commandments on the original stone that Moses broke.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel wrote: God Sabbath and 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is a law for Christians. It's one of God's 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) that according to the new covenant scriptures give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4. James in James 2:10-11 says if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11 and Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 says that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This then begs the question, if we are following man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God who are we worshiping God or man?

Your response...

It sound like you are saying that what Paul said is man-made teachings. If God has made something clean then we should not say it is unclean. (Acts 10:14-15)
You should read around the quotes you gave to get a better sense of the meaning. The 1 John quote is countering those who said that the acts of the body meant nothing and that it did not matter if we sinned.

Tell me how to you get me saying that what Paul said is man-made teachings in the post you are quoting from above? - Strawman? I said no such thing. I posted scripture references from Paul in support of what was being shared here in the OP. What has Acts 10:14-15 have to to with the Sabbath discussion and "the Lords day" ? - Nothing. Please take your time in reading what I have posted before responding. It would be helpful to our discussion. Please do not pretend I am saying things I have never said. That is not helpful to a discussion.

 

[Harel13]

Your response...

Please read what you are quoting from dear friend before posting it will be helpful to the discussion.

I did read it. Typically in my experience when someone gives a drawn-out answer to a yes-or-no question it means that they're trying to dodge the question. So I'll try again: Yes or no: Do you keep all of the commandments?

 

[3rdAngel]

You clearly did not read it. This is the "fourth" Commandment listed. Just wait until you get to number 10!"18 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt."

You clearly do not know the scriptures or Gods' 10 commandments perhaps try googling what the 10 commandments are? (e.g Wiki 10 commandments)

 

[3rdAngel]

I did read it. Typically in my experience when someone gives a drawn-out answer to a yes-or-no question it means that they're trying to dodge the question. So I'll try again: Yes or no: Do you keep all of the commandments?

What was the drawn out answer? I provided a one or two sentence direct answer to your question earlier. What was hard to understand?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You clearly do not know the scriptures or Gods' 10 commandments perhaps try googling what the 10 commandments are? (e.g Wiki 10 commandments)

Oh no, I am quite aware of those. But you apparently cannot read your own Bible if it disagrees with you.

I know why the other are accepted and it is rather odd that no one can explain how those verses got there.

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh no, I am quite aware of those. But you apparently cannot read your own Bible if it disagrees with you.
I know why the other are accepted and it is rather odd that no one can explain how those verses got there.

Your funny.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your funny.

"My" funny? Oh my

I know, you have your own beliefs, but you do not seem to be able to justify them. All you can do is to claim that your interpretation is right and that of others is wrong. That is not the way to debate.

 

[Harel13]

What was the drawn out answer? I provided a one or two sentence direct answer to your question earlier. What was hard to understand?

Yes or no: Do you keep all of the commandments?

 

[3rdAngel]

"My" funny? Oh myI know, you have your own beliefs, but you do not seem to be able to justify them. All you can do is to claim that your interpretation is right and that of others is wrong. That is not the way to debate.

Yes I believe what the bible says and it seems you do not. You were shown scripture context that disagrees with you and you then deny God's Words with your words that are not God's Word. You are then provided external sources from others outside of the bible as to what Gods' 10 commandments are that again support what has been shared with you here and continue to deny Gods' Word again with your words that are not God's Words. So lets be honest. All you have provided in this discussion is your words in disagreement with Gods' Words. When you were corrected with scripture context you continue to directly deny the scriptures which disagree with you and show you why you are in error, so your argument is with God not with me dear friend. Ignoring God's Word does not make them disappear according to the scriptures they become our judge come judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48.

 

[3rdAngel]

Yes or no: Do you keep all of the commandments?

Already answered it my very first post to you. What do you think I said in regards to this question the first time you asked it? Did I tell you I keep God's 10 commandments? If I did why are you pretending that I have not answered your question already? Genuine question I am trying to understand how you interpreted what I wrote in answering your questions the first time. I am asking in all due respect.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes I believe what the bible says and it seems you do not. Your were shown scripture context that disagrees with you and deny God's Words with your words that are not God's Word. You are then provided external sources from others outside of the bible as to what Gods' 10 commandments are that again support what has been shared with you here and continue to deny Gods' Word again with your words that are not God's Words. So lets be honest. All you have provided in this discussion is your words in disagreement with Gods' Words. When you have been corrected with scripture context you continue to directly deny the scriptures which disagree with you and show you why you are in error, so your argument is with God not with me dear friend. Ignoring God's Word does not make them disappear according to the scriptures they become our judge come judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48.

No. you only showed something that said that Moses took a set of tablets down from the mountain and broke them. It did not say that Moses got the quotes right. That was an unjustified assumption on your part.

Do you even understand what context is? Your attempt to use it indicates otherwise.

And unless you can support your claims about "God's Words" properly then you do not even have that. Most Christians like you misinterpret some of the verses that you try to use as support.

What makes the Bible more reliable than the Quran? Or the Bhagavad Ghita. Or a thousand other religious books out there? Sometimes one has to go outside of the Bible for support and that is where it tends to fail.

 

[Harel13]

Already answered it my very first post to you. What do you think I said in regards to this question the first time you asked it? Genuine question I am trying to understand how you interpreted what I answered the first time.

This was your response:
I believe and love Gods' Word and love Gods' law. I obey Gods' law because I have been forgiven of me sins and have been born again to walk in God's Spirit and follow in his steps. His Words make my feet to walk on water. Without Him I cannot do anything at all.

The first and third sentences do nothing to answer the question. The second one is a typical Christian response to this sort of question. It stems from a Christian belief that mankind no longer needs to keep the commandments because those have been replaced by faith in the J-man.

Let me ask in a different manner: Do you actively keep the Sabbath? Are you circumcised? Have you sacrificed a Passover lamb and eaten it whole before dawn on Passover night? Do you have strings on the corners of your four-cornered garb? Do you make a blessing after eating? Do you tithe your plants? Have you divorced? Do you refrain from eating pork? Do you build a booth and live in it for 7 days? Do you blow a ram's horn on the first day of the seventh month? Do you fast on the tenth? I hope you get the gist of my original question.

 

[3rdAngel]

No. you only showed something that said that Moses took a set of tablets down from the mountain and broke them. It did not say that Moses got the quotes right. That was an unjustified assumption on your part. Do you even understand what context is? Your attempt to use it indicates otherwise. And unless you can support your claims about "God's Words" properly then you do not even have that. Most Christians like you misinterpret some of the verses that you try to use as support. What makes the Bible more reliable than the Quran? Or the Bhagavad Ghita. Or a thousand other religious books out there? Sometimes one has to go outside of the Bible for support and that is where it tends to fail.

What are you talking about? I never said any such thing. It does not seem you are following the discussion. Yes I understand what context is. I posted it to you earlier to show your interpretation of what you posted was in error from Exodus 34. You ignored Exodus 34:1 which shows that God re-wrote the 10 commandments after Moses broke them which was in disagreement with your claim that Moses wrote them. You were also posted a direct link to what Gods' 10 commandments were in Exodus 20:3-17 as well as external links to Wiki outlining what Gods' 10 commandments are. You ignored them. So nothing further to talk about. As posted earlier ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear dear friend.

 

[3rdAngel]

This was your response:
I believe and love Gods' Word and love Gods' law. I obey Gods' law because I have been forgiven of my sins and have been born again to walk in God's Spirit and follow in his steps. His Words make my feet to walk on water. Without Him I cannot do anything at all.

The first and third sentences do nothing to answer the question. The second one is a typical Christian response to this sort of question. It stems from a Christian belief that mankind no longer needs to keep the commandments because those have been replaced by faith in the J-man.

Let me ask in a different manner: Do you actively keep the Sabbath? Are you circumcised? Have you sacrificed a Passover lamb and eaten it whole before dawn on Passover night? Do you have strings on the corners of your four-cornered garb? Do you make a blessing after eating? Do you tithe your plants? Have you divorced? Do you refrain from eating pork? Do you build a booth and live in it for 7 days? Do you blow a ram's horn on the first day of the seventh month? Do you fast on the tenth? I hope you get the gist of my original question.

Ok thanks for re-posting. So in my response to you did I say I obey Gods law? ; Yes/No

 

[3rdAngel]

Sunday should never have been made into the new sabbath for Christians imo. That goes against the scriptures and was just something that the Church could use to exercise it's authority over the people.

Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Romans 14:4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.…

Your claims in regards to Colossians 2:16-17 has been addressed in detail here, here and here in posts # 23; post # 25; and post # 26. If you disagree I would like you to prove to me where and why you disagree in my response proving that Colossians 2:16-17 is not talking about God's seventh day Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments. If you cannot what excuse now do you have not to obey Gods' Word?

Romans 14 has nothing, zero, zilch to do with Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath. To come up with an interpretation that Romans 14 is telling you that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we can now keep any day of the week is not written in these scripture and in fact you have to read the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment into Romans 14 because it is not present. Romans 14 is about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regard. It is not talking about what days God esteems over other days because it is written in the scriptures the things that men esteem are an abomination to God (see Luke 16:15).

Now let me ask you again can you show me a single scripture in all the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none.

Take Care.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What are you talking about? I never said any such thing. It does not seem you are following the discussion. Yes I understand what context is. I posted it to you earlier to show your interpretation of what you posted was in error from Exodus 34. You ignored Exodus 34:1 which shows that God re-wrote the 10 commandments after Moses broke them which was in disagreement with your claim that Moses wrote them. You were also posted a direct link to what Gods' 10 commandments were in Exodus 20:3-17 as well as external links to Wiki outlining what Gods' 10 commandments are. You ignored them. So nothing further to talk about. As posted earlier ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear dear friend.

No, I did not ignore it. That verse simply does not support your claim. It only says that in the myth Moses broke the first set. It does not say anything at all about the laws written on them.

And Wikipedia only shows what most Christians believe. But most of them are totally ignorant about Exodus 34. So what good is that opinion?

 

[Harel13]

Ok thanks for re-posting. So in my response to you did I say I obey Gods law? ; Yes/No

You said you do but I did not ask whether you obey it. I asked whether you keep it. And I clarified a few times that my meaning is whether you actively keep it. Do you, for example, do all of the things I asked? Actively, that is.