Couldn't have said it better myself...

[Subduction Zone]

Me oh my. Faith in the unintelligent concept of darwinistic theory of evolution is blind to reality. Gotta go, looking forward to the next piece of non evidence you provide promoting the unproven theory of...beyond Darwin's concept of evolution. Survival of the fittest perhaps?

No. Once again, faith is your failing not mine. You refuse to even understand the concept of evidence. You appear to be afraid of it.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

As do most species, given they have evolved to survive in their environment without such, so why would they? Oh, God withdrew the clothing option because it was just too much like an added expense during the production process.

From She-Hulk

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

That is because you were taught to be embarrassed. Clothing provides protection from the elements. In areas where it is not needed it is often dropped. There are still areas in the tropics where women regularly go topless.

I have seen enough funny toddlers to know that wearing clothing is optional lol.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Yes, but other mammals don't wear clothes. That's a unique human trait. And someone had to have come up with the idea at one point. The "tradition" argument can't explain the first use of clothes (for mating control).
The Genesis myth explains some basic questions about human behaviour and the human condition.

I would argue that clothing descended from accessorizing displays, like putting different feathers in your own feathers.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So then, the birds, bees, and gorillas felt no "need" to manufacture clothing, is that your take on it? I have a feeling some populations of animals died out because they couldn't survive weather changes. Let me guess your answer: they didn't have time to figure how to make clothing to keep themselves covered and/or warm? Too bad about the sharks that couldn't make clothes to keep them warm -- wrong atmosphere -- water dwellers I suppose:
Megalodons succumbed to global cooling due to the shrinking of their habitat, the vanishing of their favorite prey, and competition from other predators 3.5 million years ago.
A combination of factors for them -- global cooling among other situations.
Why Did Megalodon Sharks Go Extinct? - AZ Animals (a-z-animals.com)
It's been interesting talking to you. Have another good one!

That’s why we should teach random animals various skills. It would influence their evolution and amuse me, which is the important part lol.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

LOL, it was (is) a great argument. No OTHER form of life that "scientists" call apes make clothes to cover themselves up and keep warm.

They wear fur coats all the time?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

One of them would be that Jesus was OK with him killing the Jews. It can't get much more weird than that.

Why on Earth did you ever think that he was an atheist?

Wasn’t he influenced by Luther?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I thought about this. There have been various important civilizations with little to no written documentation or history. The history of the Jews, however, including the advent of Christianity (true Christianity) is preserved in the pages of the scriptures in great detail. Other civilizations have no details preserved about them
6 Lost Civilizations
That includes the Mayan civilization.

Just because we can’t read Mayan script doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Wasn’t he influenced by Luther?

That appears to be the case. I have not read this yet, the download which is free is 83 pages long, but it was an award winning article and makes that case at least from the abstract:

Luther and Hitler: A Linear Connection between Martin Luther and Adolf Hitler’s Anti-Semitism with a Nationalistic Foundation

From another source:

“Hitler’s fight and Luther’s teaching are the best defense for the German people.”

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Jesus did not overthrow a government.

Had Jesus lasted as long as Muhammad, he would have tried.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Not according to the Bible.

They claim he is sinless but he sins. He breaks at least two commandments and the penalty for that was death.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So you and others may say. As I study the Bible, however, it becomes clearer and clearer to me this was not made up by the writers. Again....it is very detailed. Other civilizations have nothing in memoriam defining their history.

Isn’t the Mahabharata longer than the Bible?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

When did God lie to Adam and Eve?

He said that they would die if they ate it THAT DAY.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Yes, Christians aren't perfect, and some who claim to be Christians will end up being told by Jesus that He never knew them.

Then Jesus should be fired as a teacher. It was his job to make sure we got it right.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It is just that Jesus life was given to benefit humanity, as part of fixing the problem of evil in the world. It is a gift for us. We can reject it if we want of course.

I admire the bodhisattva approach better. I see people gladly stepping over each other to see heaven but I feel it’s more moral to stand outside and hold the door. You know, like that whole “whoever seeks the chair next to the host will get thrown out of the party “. (Not exact words)

 

[Subduction Zone]

What do you mean by "apologetics", explaining why the reason you see that as a lie is not correct?
You don't want to hear? OK

The problem is that one has to add all sorts of unjustified context to claim that it is not a lie. You would have to justify that act of adding context and no one can seem to do it without using a from of the argument that "Well, the Bible would be shown to be false if I did not do that". One needs something better than just defending the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then Jesus should be fired as a teacher. It was his job to make sure we got it right.

That sort of imperfection in the Bible and they supposedly very grim punishments for getting it wrong were some of the strongest reasons that I lost my Christian faith. The Bible has two many places where you have to "just believe" when it contradicts itself and is willing to send people to hell for not understanding a story that is not consistent.

 

[Heyo]

I would argue that clothing descended from accessorizing displays, like putting different feathers in your own feathers.

Intriguing idea, so I looked into it. Seems that the only instance of that happening is in a fable.

 

[Brian2]

Yes, believing is not knowing. But do you know the reason why you believe? This is the knowing I was talking about. There has to be some reason why you believe something and also why you don't believe something else (for example why you believe Bible and not Quran).

I prefer to think that it is because I have been called by God to His Son and accepted the faith offered and have been kept in the faith so that I do not fall out of the hand of God.
Nothing I have been presented with has convinced me that the Bible is not the truth. Interestingly many times the more the nonsense attacks come reigning down that is more support for it's truth,,,,,,,,,, and the more I see people not being able to comprehend simple things I tell them, the more I realise they must be being blinded.
How arrogant can one be ah. But we all believe what we believe and wonder why others can't see what we see.

 

[Brian2]

Yes, as far as you know.
It is not difficult to see that "the Romans" persecuted early Christian belief along with other Jews, and later on a faction insisted on "their version" of Christian belief, burning books and waging war against other Christians.

Why should we believe this faction had sincere motives?
The true nature of Jesus is known to the Father [God].
All we really know is that the Arians were militarily quashed,
and creed was enforced by a series of human councils.

Jews, Christians, Muslims .. God knows who is more rightly guided.

Human beings are created by God. Jesus is a human being. Jesus is created by God. All three religions believe that, but only Christians say that he was also "fully God" as well, which means that he was not created.
It is a major contradiction that human beings are created by God, but one particular one was not.

..then we get into a debate about whether Jesus' body was real or not etc.

Still I don't think that there was any earlier group that taught the Arian teaching.
But really do you want Emperors to have accepted Arianism or do you want them to have quashed it?
The era when Christianity became politicised seems to have been a time when it went down hill in some ways indeed, but that is no indication that the trinity is not correct. The New Testament has Thomas saying that Jesus is His God after all.
The 4th century seems to have been a time when the truth was not only attacked doctrinally but also with violence, but God kept His church safe in the end even if they also were using violence against others.
It is a plain teaching of the Bible that through Jesus all things were created. Surely you can see that if that is so then Jesus cannot have been one of those created things.
It is a plain teaching of the Bible that this uncreated Jesus was sent by His Father to become a man, (He did not step down from being divine when He became a man, He remained whom He had always been, but added the nature of a servant to His divine nature, the human Son of God ) the suffering servant of Isa 53, and to obey His God and Father even to the death and rise again and take our sins on Himself in that way. (It's all there in Isa 53 actually )
There is no debate about whether Jesus was truly a man with a human body unless you disagree with the Bible about that also.