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Couldn't have said it better myself...

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I thought about this. There have been various important civilizations with little to no written documentation or history. The history of the Jews, however, including the advent of Christianity (true Christianity) is preserved in the pages of the scriptures in great detail. Other civilizations have no details preserved about them
6 Lost Civilizations
That includes the Mayan civilization.
Sorry, but the history of the Jews is no different from others. They have legendary leaders that did not exist too. The Bible slowly bends from myth to history. It does not being to be accurate until the time of the Babylonian captivity.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No, he did not. In fact the theory of evolution was one of the banned books in Nazi Germany.\



Eugenics is not evolution.
He believed in a master race, influenced by eugenics. Hitler may have a somewhat belief in Christ and I haven't taken a survey but I have a feeling many claiming to be Christian also believe in promoting a Master Race among other things. Jesus did not overthrow a government.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
I answered you about at least two or three times.

It's immoral because it doesn't provide any restitution to the victim.

Vengeance is something that belongs to God to dish out, but vengeance is not restitution.
Restitution is restoration of something that has been lost or taken.
If a victim ends up with eternal life with an eternity of love and abundance then restitution has been given and more and it will be up to the victim at that stage to say if they are not happy with that and want more.
It sounds as if you want time to be turned backwards so that the victim never experienced the suffering caused by the culprit and everything will be returned to that point in time as if the evil never happened.
But the evil did happen and I don't think that time will be turned backwards.
Are you sure you don't want vengeance against the perpetrator? You have mentioned that you don't like the idea of the perp being forgiven by God (if that happens)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
He believed in a master race, influenced by eugenics. Hitler may have a somewhat belief in Christ and I haven't taken a survey but I have a feeling many claiming to be Christian also believe in promoting a Master Race among other things. Jesus did not overthrow a government.
Correct, and that is closer to the Bible and its beliefs than it is to evolution. Evolution explains that there is almost no difference between the races. In fact it shows the concept of race as we use it to be nonexistent.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Quran is considered literal word of God (God's correction of the Bible)... "Shruti" texts are considered revealed by some Hindus...

What if some text other than Bible is the real divine revelation? How do you know?
What if none is? How do you know?
How do you know OT patriarchs and prophets were not mythical figures?

How do any of us "know" what we believe. It is not a matter of "knowing".
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Sorry, but the history of the Jews is no different from others. They have legendary leaders that did not exist too. The Bible slowly bends from myth to history. It does not being to be accurate until the time of the Babylonian captivity.
So you and others may say. As I study the Bible, however, it becomes clearer and clearer to me this was not made up by the writers. Again....it is very detailed. Other civilizations have nothing in memoriam defining their history.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
If that were true that would be the only punishment in the Bible and yet it is not the only one.

I see that death as not so much a punishment but what we earn through our sins.
In a purely justice oriented way (not considering God's mercy), a Hitler who dies and a 10 year old who dies are not being treated justly if death is the punishment.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Sorry God, if he exists, never revealed himself to those people. It is not rejection to lack a belief in someone that does not appear to exist.

For argument sake I will accept what you said, but rejecting God can happen in more ways than just a head belief. We can for example live a life of self love, while treating others like ****.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I see that death as not so much a punishment but what we earn through our sins.
In a purely justice oriented way (not considering God's mercy), a Hitler who dies and a 10 year old who dies are not being treated justly if death is the punishment.

In the real world justice sometimes does not exist. And it certainly does not exist in the Bible.

All we can say in retrospect all we can say is "Hitler is finally dead and that is a good thing" vs "This ten year old died way to early and that is a bad thing". There is no justice to be found from either source.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
For argument sake I will accept what you said, but rejecting God can happen in more ways than just a head belief. We can for example live a life of self love, while treating others like ****.
So what? One can do that if one is a Christian or if one is an atheist. And an atheist can be better than any Christian. That really is a pointless argument. It does not indicate the existence or nonexistence of a god.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
I believe you have no evidence or spiritual guidance to support that view. I believe it is a prejudicial view.

I believe I am not sure what you are referring to but it certainly wasn't the previous sentence.

My spiritual guidance for what I said about Muhammad is the Bible and how Muhammad teaches that the gospel of Jesus is not true.
 
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