Heyo
Veteran Member
Actually ...
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Gödel proved that a system powerful enough to talk about itself can't prove itself complete.
(That's why it's called Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem.)
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Legitimate reasons not to believe in God
- Thread starter Trailblazer
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<nitpick>
Gödel proved that a system powerful enough to talk about itself can't prove itself complete.
(That's why it's called Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem.)
</nitpick>
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Unless of course its reasonable to point out that God is the product of people's imagination.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well its only people actually claiming that actually.
We Never Know
No Slack
Legitimate reasons not to believe in God
-a god cannot be shown to exist
Legitimate reasons to believe in God
-a god a cannot be shown to not exist
Doesn't it come down to personal choice?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Abrahamic religions teach subservience and submission, not love.
It's why Islam and to a lesser extent, Christianity and Judaism are so violent as I see it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
If there is no good reason now I don't foresee future circumstances changing enough to make me change my mind.
We Never Know
No Slack
God doesn't seek you.
God says "seek me"
Jeremiah 29:11-14
13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you,” declares the LORD, “and will bring you back from captivity.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Jesus teaches us that lying your life down for a friend is one of the highest acts of love.
Or something like that. It's been a very long time since I've read that. But yes, Jesus teaches submission and subservience, but love is indeed a very strong element of his teachings, like repetitively instructing his followers to love and take care of the poor, reminding his followers that how they treat the least among them is how they treat him.
And, indeed, some Christian leaders and statesmen have been moved by their faith to show love, care and mercy towards their subjects (building orphanages, promoting literacy, and taking care of the poor and infirm has bestowed the title of the Great to at least a couple of statesmen who weren't conquers but fierce defenders of their homelands).
We Never Know
No Slack
"Jesus teaches us that lying your life down for a friend is one of the highest acts of love"
Did jesus teach that or did men who wrote the bible teach that?
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Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I think so, personal opinion and personal choice.
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We Never Know
No Slack
Its that thing people believe and have faith in.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That is not what Christians claim. They claim that Jesus/God is all about love.
Islam is more about subservience and submission.
The Baha'i Faith is kind of a mixture.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Aint that the truth!
And the irony is that we can never find God.
As @Heyo said, no one seems to know what a God actually is.
And that's not simply a problem for the Abrahamic God because there isn't one god, there are thousands, and through history countless thousands of gods.
So I think a very strong argument can be made that gods are something humans devise ─ to explain natural phenomena, like thunder and lightning, meteors, eclipses; and plagues and droughts and floods; and good and bad luck whether in love or war or hunting or fortune; and things that go bump in the night &c. As well, they usually form part of the stories of tribal identity, along with language, customs, heroes and folk histories, all of which promote tribal solidarity hence survival. And you can pray to them, which perhaps gives a sense of control over things that are not otherwise controllable.
But whether that explanation is right, or half-right, or wrong, it remains the case that God never says and never does, and has no description appropriate to a real entity, and that the world behaves just as if God / gods were simply an idea.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
What if you were to choose your own conception of God?
As for testing the existence of God, I would suggest leaning on Him in times of difficulty and seeing how that works for you.
Would it be possible to say: there is too much good in the world to say that God does not exist?
That was always an interesting take for me as there's many people whose lives are full of suffering and God is their only refuge.
Ella S.
*temp banned*
If God really has a message for me or wants to tell me how to live my life then there are numerous ways to contact me. Human beings can visit my doorstep, send me an SMS, or even call my phone. God's free to use any of those at any time. I've even prayed to him and told him as much.
Believers will think this is a silly and odd request, that I clearly don't get how the whole "God" thing works. Well, neither do they, because they've never actually spoken to the guy, either.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Ask any human did you create creation?
No.
Yet you theory you got God in science didn't you?
Yes.
So science asks God scientists what's God then.
Men of science said coldest highest any one type of any substance.
So did you human man invent God as God?
No. As no man is God. Hadn't created anything. Said men.
As sex simply puts the human parent back into life. As new baby then returned parent from death says a scientific human theist.
As baby humans say as a creator I put back and recreated my own human parent. Don't even realise as they don't theory self presence first a human. Position exact.
No man is God a reason to be said.
No man is God said as it needed to be said no man is God.
Now did you science man create the highest heavens God?
Yes.
How?
Errr ummm he says I took mass very very cold many times over as a huge pressure by lots of voiding. Changed it. Gained a cold gas.
The reason my frustrated brother said no man is God and you did not theory the heavens into existence by man's control.
Egotists self possessed mind a human theist. No man is God reality.
No.
Yet you theory you got God in science didn't you?
Yes.
So science asks God scientists what's God then.
Men of science said coldest highest any one type of any substance.
So did you human man invent God as God?
No. As no man is God. Hadn't created anything. Said men.
As sex simply puts the human parent back into life. As new baby then returned parent from death says a scientific human theist.
As baby humans say as a creator I put back and recreated my own human parent. Don't even realise as they don't theory self presence first a human. Position exact.
No man is God a reason to be said.
No man is God said as it needed to be said no man is God.
Now did you science man create the highest heavens God?
Yes.
How?
Errr ummm he says I took mass very very cold many times over as a huge pressure by lots of voiding. Changed it. Gained a cold gas.
The reason my frustrated brother said no man is God and you did not theory the heavens into existence by man's control.
Egotists self possessed mind a human theist. No man is God reality.
So for #2: you're assuming a particular version of God?
I ask because suffering works just fine to support the conclusion that God isn't good - or isn't powerful and wise enough to prevent suffering - unless we're taking it as given that God MUST be good, powerful and wise.
Are there any other attributes of God that you're assuming here (or that you want us to assume)?