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Why don't you sell your mansion or large house?

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
First off, if you are a hard-working manual laborer or a really good scientist/engineer, I want to lick your boots and you are better than a politician in my book and I don't mind how big your house is.
But if you are not raising a lot of kids, will you consider selling your house?
Jesus said it's harder for a rich man to get into Heaven than to pass into the eye of the needle; in other words you have to abandon your posessions.

If people move to smaller homes, it helps with climate change. Jets may be excused for people who need to be in many places all the time.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
First off, if you are a hard-working manual laborer or a really good scientist/engineer, I want to lick your boots and you are better than a politician in my book and I don't mind how big your house is.
But if you are not raising a lot of kids, will you consider selling your house?
Jesus said it's harder for a rich man to get into Heaven than to pass into the eye of the needle; in other words you have to abandon your posessions.

If people move to smaller homes, it helps with climate change. Jets may be excused for people who need to be in many places all the time.
We seriously considered it when the kids all moved out, for many of the reasons you mentioned. But then we came up with a solution. We now rent out 2 rooms in the basement. (Below market value here.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
First off, if you are a hard-working manual laborer or a really good scientist/engineer, I want to lick your boots and you are better than a politician in my book and I don't mind how big your house is.
I was pretty good at engineering.
But no boots at the moment...I'm barefoot.
So I recommend just having some chocolate.
But if you are not raising a lot of kids, will you consider selling your house?
Nah. I like where I live.
And my place is worth more to me than it would
be to an appraiser or buyer because I rent out
some buildings. Such income doesn't add value
in a residential market (although I'm zoned for
farming).
Jesus said it's harder for a rich man to get into Heaven than to pass into the eye of the needle; in other words you have to abandon your posessions.
I don't worry about getting into Heaven.
If people move to smaller homes, it helps with climate change. Jets may be excused for people who need to be in many places all the time.
We just set our thermostats lower than most people do.
 
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Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
All people are free to buy and live in whatever kind of house they want and can afford. It is nobody else's business.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
You probably aren't aware of this @robocop (actually) (I wasn't until a few months ago) but the inflation of housing size is driven by factors outside of the customer's control. Learning this recontextualized the challenges I faced when buying my first home about a decade ago, and explained a lot about why I couldn't find the house I was looking for. The short of it is - nobody is building them.

"Nationwide, the small detached house has all but vanished from new construction. Only about 8 percent of new single-family homes today are 1,400 square feet or less. In the 1940s, according to CoreLogic, nearly 70 percent of new houses were that small.

...

But the economics of the housing market — and the local rules that shape it — have dictated today that many small homes are replaced by McMansions, or that their moderate-income residents are replaced by wealthier ones.

...

This mix of good intentions (energy efficiency, tree preservation) and exclusionary ones (aesthetic mandates, minimum lot sizes) has pushed up the cost of building on top of the rising cost of land. Cities have also shifted more of the burden for funding public infrastructure like parks and sewer systems off taxpayers and onto homebuilders.

The result today is that a builder who can put up only one home on an expensive piece of land will construct a large, expensive one."
Whatever Happened to the Starter Home?
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You probably aren't aware of this @robocop (actually) (I wasn't until a few months ago) but the inflation of housing size is driven by factors outside of the customer's control. Learning this recontextualized the challenges I faced when buying my first home about a decade ago, and explained a lot about why I couldn't find the house I was looking for. The short of it is - nobody is building them.

"Nationwide, the small detached house has all but vanished from new construction. Only about 8 percent of new single-family homes today are 1,400 square feet or less. In the 1940s, according to CoreLogic, nearly 70 percent of new houses were that small.

...

But the economics of the housing market — and the local rules that shape it — have dictated today that many small homes are replaced by McMansions, or that their moderate-income residents are replaced by wealthier ones.

...

This mix of good intentions (energy efficiency, tree preservation) and exclusionary ones (aesthetic mandates, minimum lot sizes) has pushed up the cost of building on top of the rising cost of land. Cities have also shifted more of the burden for funding public infrastructure like parks and sewer systems off taxpayers and onto homebuilders.

The result today is that a builder who can put up only one home on an expensive piece of land will construct a large, expensive one."
Whatever Happened to the Starter Home?
That's sad and thank you for sharing.

It's a longstanding problem.
 

Viker

Häxan
I have four animals, they're family members actually, I entertain guests and make sure I have a place for a human family member to go in case of emergency. Also, I don't over do the thermostat and am currently partial solar. I always wanted a house this size. I worked my *** off for it. If someone would make me a reasonable offer that has a reasonable solution, I would might consider it.

I don't care about heaven. I care about here and now. And I have no use or desire for a private jet.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You probably aren't aware of this @robocop (actually) (I wasn't until a few months ago) but the inflation of housing size is driven by factors outside of the customer's control. Learning this recontextualized the challenges I faced when buying my first home about a decade ago, and explained a lot about why I couldn't find the house I was looking for. The short of it is - nobody is building them.

"Nationwide, the small detached house has all but vanished from new construction. Only about 8 percent of new single-family homes today are 1,400 square feet or less. In the 1940s, according to CoreLogic, nearly 70 percent of new houses were that small.

...

But the economics of the housing market — and the local rules that shape it — have dictated today that many small homes are replaced by McMansions, or that their moderate-income residents are replaced by wealthier ones.

...

This mix of good intentions (energy efficiency, tree preservation) and exclusionary ones (aesthetic mandates, minimum lot sizes) has pushed up the cost of building on top of the rising cost of land. Cities have also shifted more of the burden for funding public infrastructure like parks and sewer systems off taxpayers and onto homebuilders.

The result today is that a builder who can put up only one home on an expensive piece of land will construct a large, expensive one."
Whatever Happened to the Starter Home?
I like that someone else noticed this change in
the housing market. Small homes are disdained
even in "progressive" towns like mine. Building
codes, the Housing Code, & zoning ordinances
appear designed to keep the poor away.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I was pretty good at engineering.
But no boots at the moment...I'm barefoot.
So I recommend just having some chocolate.

Nah. I like where I live.
And my place is worth more to me than it would
be to an appraiser or buyer because I rent out
some buildings. Such income doesn't add value
in a residential market (although I'm zoned for
farming).

I don't worry about getting into Heaven.

We just set our thermostats lower than most people do.
Me too. Love that AC
 

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
I have a 3 bedroom house, but it has a very large walk in closet(large enough to hold a bunk bed and aquarium), a 3 season porch in both the front and back, and what was meant to be a 'dining nook'. Its not giant, but its reasonable sized.

I won't sell it. I have 3 kids, 10 cats, and 3 dogs. I need this room.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You probably aren't aware of this @robocop (actually) (I wasn't until a few months ago) but the inflation of housing size is driven by factors outside of the customer's control. Learning this recontextualized the challenges I faced when buying my first home about a decade ago, and explained a lot about why I couldn't find the house I was looking for. The short of it is - nobody is building them.

"Nationwide, the small detached house has all but vanished from new construction. Only about 8 percent of new single-family homes today are 1,400 square feet or less. In the 1940s, according to CoreLogic, nearly 70 percent of new houses were that small.

...

But the economics of the housing market — and the local rules that shape it — have dictated today that many small homes are replaced by McMansions, or that their moderate-income residents are replaced by wealthier ones.

...

This mix of good intentions (energy efficiency, tree preservation) and exclusionary ones (aesthetic mandates, minimum lot sizes) has pushed up the cost of building on top of the rising cost of land. Cities have also shifted more of the burden for funding public infrastructure like parks and sewer systems off taxpayers and onto homebuilders.

The result today is that a builder who can put up only one home on an expensive piece of land will construct a large, expensive one."
Whatever Happened to the Starter Home?
What would you reccommend we do?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
All people are free to buy and live in whatever kind of house they want and can afford. It is nobody else's business.
Unless you live in a Democrat run dictatorship.


Yea. Try to help the homeless, try to give them some dignity and pride, the authoritarian Democrat stasi suddenly comes and willfully and intentionally destroyed absolutely everything because they simply don't want poor and disadvantagd people to ever have the freedom towards improved and better lives.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Unless you live in a Democrat run dictatorship.


Yea. Try to help the homeless, try to give them some dignity and pride, the authoritarian Democrat stasi suddenly comes and willfully and intentionally destroyed absolutely everything because they simply don't want poor and disadvantagd people to ever have the freedom towards improved and better lives.
People shouldn't live in "boxes".
So they take & destroy these houses.
The city's alternative?
No housing at all until some year when it builds more public housing.

BTW, Reason (maker of the video) is a magazine run by those loony
libertarians.
 
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Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I like that someone else noticed this change in
the housing market. Small homes are disdained
even in "progressive" towns like mine. Building
codes, the Housing Code, & zoning ordinances
appear designed to keep the poor away.

I suppose I noticed it as a kid when looking at new housing developments, but I didn't really think about it until I was in the buyer's market. All anyone builds are those stupid McMansions. I live in a college town, so anything that's reasonably-priced or smaller in scale often gets bought up by investors and turned into a rental property. Regular people - I'm not even talking about the poor, just people on a middle class income - cannot compete with that.

What would you reccommend we do?

Segueing from the above, we need to put a cork in the investor class ruining the housing market. They have a purchasing power regular people cannot match and it ruins it for everyone else. Regulators need to step in. Exactly what that would look like I'd leave up to the experts, but as a rule of thumb if you're not living in it you shouldn't be allowed to own it. I'd include apartments in that - had a great experience with an on-site, in-residence manager and the place tanked after that changed (while the rents skyrocketed).
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I suppose I noticed it as a kid when looking at new housing developments, but I didn't really think about it until I was in the buyer's market. All anyone builds are those stupid McMansions. I live in a college town, so anything that's reasonably-priced or smaller in scale often gets bought up by investors and turned into a rental property. Regular people - I'm not even talking about the poor, just people on a middle class income - cannot compete with that.



Segueing from the above, we need to put a cork in the investor class ruining the housing market. They have a purchasing power regular people cannot match and it ruins it for everyone else. Regulators need to step in. Exactly what that would look like I'd leave up to the experts, but as a rule of thumb if you're not living in it you shouldn't be allowed to own it. I'd include apartments in that - had a great experience with an on-site, in-residence manager and the place tanked after that changed (while the rents skyrocketed).
OK I just want to say that I'm for this legislative action.
 
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