Do Baha'i covert people to their way of thinking?Yes or no?

[F1fan]

What influenced me was Baha’u’llah’s Book of Certitude. I read and reflected on it and wanted to be a Baha’i.

So you saw this ideology as something to create an identity for you. Why do you need an ideology at all? Are you not capable of being what you are via your own wits?

I actually felt sorry for Baha’is that they were deluded and tried to convert them away from the Baha’i Faith. It was completely by accident and in my apartment alone when an epiphany about Baha’u’llah.

Why would you do this as a person seeking a religion to believe in?

So I was extra vigilant not to be conned by sweet words, or a sweet tongue. My beliefs against Baha’i were just about set in stone. So I was not ‘seeking’ or looking for God or religion.

What were your beliefs against Bahai?

 

[We Never Know]

So you saw this ideology as something to create an identity for you. Why do you need an ideology at all? Are you not capable of being what you are via your own wits?


Why would you do this as a person seeking a religion to believe in?


What were your beliefs against Bahai?

"Why do you need an ideology at all? Are you not capable of being what you are via your own wits?"

Are your trying to convert them?

 

[F1fan]

"No, what they are saying is their beliefs are unsubstantiated and implusible. The default is their claims are untrue."

IOW You need to stop believing in myths and be like me, more rational and stop believing in myths.

Like i said lol

False. It's not personal. Critical thinkers follow the rules of logic and facts to sound conclusions. Religious concepts don't meet the standard of being true, or likley true.

Are your trying to convert them?

I'm asking questions.

 

[We Never Know]

False. It's not personal. Critical thinkers follow the rules of logic and facts to sound conclusions. Religious concepts don't meet the standard of being true, or likley true.

"Critical thinkers follow the rules of logic and facts to sound conclusions. Religious concepts don't meet the standard of being true, or likley true."

So are your trying to covert them to your way of thinking?

 

[We Never Know]

I'm asking questions.

I see you added and edit.

Asking questions isn't telling them they believe in a myth and aren't thinking rationally.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Does the golden age include valuing so many of the petty things mankind holds so dear?Ruling,controlling, Judging, condemning, punishing. payback, intimidation, coercing. revenge,creating a we against they,we are good they are bad and such things like some are more important or closer to God than others.

How can one reach a Higher Level valuing those petty things? How could they ever lead to the Best Choices?

One can paint a pretty picture of a golden age for people to like or follow, however it says nothing about the system God really has in place and what is really going on in this world.

Does not your religion teach people this world is a mess? In reality this world is a Masterpiece. I say forget the dreams and the pretty pictures. The Masterpiece will end up with so much better results!!

That's what I see. it's very clear!!

My understanding is the golden age of human civilisation will signify spiritual maturity. We will have grown up spiritually so to speak no more hungering after lusts, power, position or greed but more interested in acquiring virtues such as wisdom and justice. Society will be ruled by justice and human rights not by financial interests. Wars will not exist.

It will be the Kingdom of God on earth and we Baha’is are establishing it now.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Forced conversion???? The only forced conversion I can think of is when parents force children to convert. On the other hand, when children become adults and start to think on their own, they can decide for themselves.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

I joined my religion not by coercion or to keep a friendship but because I loved what it stood for - the love of God and all humanity and I found that impossible to resist.

 

[Vinayaka]

What influenced me was Baha’u’llah’s Book of Certitude. I read and reflected on it and wanted to be a Baha’i. Baha’is played absolutely no part. I actually felt sorry for Baha’is that they were deluded and tried to convert them away from the Baha’i Faith. It was completely by accident and in my apartment alone when an epiphany about Baha’u’llah.

So I was extra vigilant not to be conned by sweet words, or a sweet tongue. My beliefs against Baha’i were just about set in stone. So I was not ‘seeking’ or looking for God or religion.

Not the same story I heard you tell before, where a group of Baha'is rescued you from despair. But it's all good.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Not the same story I heard you tell before, where a group of Baha'is rescued you from despair. But it's all good.

They never told me they were Baha’is. I found out about it later and after I joined I found out they were Baha’is. The way I heard about Baha’i was a Malaysian and Australian couple lived above us and were kind neighbours. One day on the stairway I met the Malay and I said ‘there is something different about you, you are not Christian because by now you would have preached to me. What is your religion? Then after I asked he showed me a chart about progressive revelation. I felt on seeing it as if I made a discovery but then I remembered I was strongly opposed to the notion of God. I then met with Baha’is trying to persuade them away from Baha’i. For years I never read anything just opposed much like people do on RF. But when I read the Book of Certitude by myself I became convinced.

 

[Bird123]

Actually, it's just conjecture. There is no evidence that all people adhering to a religion has converted. What you mean is that atheism is the default position of a human being. There is no evidence to that. It's just a bias that you are presenting. But in fact, there have been extensive quali research made that provides data to the opposite, That means, research shows that human beings are believers of the divine by default.

I would not say atheism by default because atheism is a belief God does not exist whether atheists care to admit this or not. Since God does exist, their belief is in error.

Deep down we all know God whether we know we know or not. Knowing God is the default. It is not a belief in the beginning. This physical world has so much sensory input that soon we are seduced into thinking this physical world is all there is.

Belief by default? Hardly. Researchers see God as only a belief. How can their results show anything else? If they ask enough of the very youngest of children, a child might just remember God for they have just recently left God's arms.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

My understanding is the golden age of human civilisation will signify spiritual maturity. We will have grown up spiritually so to speak no more hungering after lusts, power, position or greed but more interested in acquiring virtues such as wisdom and justice. Society will be ruled by justice and human rights not by financial interests. Wars will not exist.

It will be the Kingdom of God on earth and we Baha’is are establishing it now.

Mankind will always get better in time, however one will not reach a Higher Level without understanding all those petty things mankind holds so dear. By truly Understanding, one will realize those petty things mankind holds so dear are no longer viable choices one could make. They will never bring the best results.

Religion is a creation of mankind. That is who they truly reflect. Religions incorporate those petty things because that is what mankind values. They simply do not Understand.

I have found no religion that actually understands God at all. Since no religion actually understands God at all, to blindly follow any of them would not lead one to understanding God. Children of God were not meant to follow. Children of God were meant to THINK. QUESTION and DISCOVER!!!

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

I joined my religion not by coercion or to keep a friendship but because I loved what it stood for - the love of God and all humanity and I found that impossible to resist.

Very Good, however there is so much more to Discover beyond this point. God is so much more than is in any religion or holy book. Should one choose to limit oneself to only the beliefs of others as the source of all knowledge of God.

I think not!!

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[firedragon]

I would not say atheism by default because atheism is a belief God does not exist whether atheists care to admit this or not. Since God does exist, their belief is in error.

Deep down we all know God whether we know we know or not. Knowing God is the default. It is not a belief in the beginning. This physical world has so much sensory input that soon we are seduced into thinking this physical world is all there is.

Belief by default? Hardly. Researchers see God as only a belief. How can their results show anything else? If they ask enough of the very youngest of children, a child might just remember God for they have just recently left God's arms.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

I am speaking from research, not conjecture Bird. There was extensive research done.

 

[Bird123]

I am speaking from research, not conjecture Bird. There was extensive research done.

Supply your research. Research can often be faulty based on bias conclusions or faulty data. Research can be conjecture.

Do not assume I speak out of conjecture. There is more that exists within "what is" that can be supplied with physical proof. On the other hand, one can often Discover proof for oneself.

Somehow, being converted is bad for you. A good salesman converts people into thinking they need what is being sold. Having beliefs is not bad. It's settling with beliefs instead of searching for the Real Truth that is lacking.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[firedragon]

Supply your research. Research can often be faulty based on bias conclusions or faulty data. Research can be conjecture.

Do not assume I speak out of conjecture. There is more that exists within "what is" that can be supplied with physical proof. On the other hand, one can often Discover proof for oneself.

Somehow, being converted is bad for you. A good salesman converts people into thinking they need what is being sold. Having beliefs is not bad. It's settling with beliefs instead of searching for the Real Truth that is lacking.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

No problem. Read up on "born believers" by "Justin Barrett". That's "research".

And please do give your research study, not just conjecture.

I will appreciate it a lot if you do.

 

[Bird123]

No problem. Read up on "born believers" by "Justin Barrett". That's "research".

And please do give your research study, not just conjecture.

I will appreciate it a lot if you do.

My Journey to Discover the Real Truth Has been going on since I became an adult. I can point the way, however each must choose their journey for themselves.

You have been getting my research study. You only assume conjecture.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[firedragon]

My Journey to Discover the Real Truth Has been going on since I became an adult. I can point the way, however each must choose their journey for themselves.

You have been getting my research study. You only assume conjecture.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

What do you mean "my research study"? YOu mean you have done some research on this topic? Thats fantastic.

What was your sample size and what's the method you applied?

 

[Truthseeker]

The official statement appears to be, "we don't convert" "we proudly proclaim to simply engender a feeling of curiosity and response to the word of God in the seeker’s heart"

How Do Baha’is Spread their Faith?

That's exactly what happened with @Seeker of White Light. I take no responsibility for him becoming a Baha'i, and I believe I speak for all Baha'is here. He did his independent investigation after finding a response in his heart to the words of Baha'u'llah. At least that's the process I perceive.

 

[Truthseeker]

The most damning evidence I found that Baha'is proselytize is the Ruhi Institute.

People go to a Ruhi Institute study because they want to, though of course they are invited. This is not forced on them.

 

[Truthseeker]

Here in Canada a primary target is the indigenous peoples. As if they haven't had enough of Abrahamic religions already.

The Christians forcifully stripped them of their religion and customs. We don't. Whatever is compatible with Baha'i laws, the are encouraged to stay with those.