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Vanity and the Absolute or Eternal/Infinite I

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
when self practices service to self vs service to all as self, isn't it acting in vain, opposition against the absolute?


so one has set themselves up for obvious fail? the universe, nature as a whole is always greater than the sum of it's parts?
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
when self practices service to self vs service to all as self, isn't it acting in vain, opposition against the absolute?


so one has set themselves up for obvious fail? the universe, nature as a whole is always greater than the sum of it's parts?

The self requires service, otherwise we deteriorate or die prematurely.

What constitutes service to all? If each meet their own needs, then service not required from others.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
when self practices service to self vs service to all as self, isn't it acting in vain, opposition against the absolute?
is service to all as self the same as serivce to self as all?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The self requires service, otherwise we deteriorate or die prematurely.

What constitutes service to all? If each meet their own needs, then service not required from others.
service to all as self includes self; otherwise it isn't all. service to self is only selfish
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
when self practices service to self vs service to all as self, isn't it acting in vain, opposition against the absolute?

If service to self leads to service to self as all ( the absolute ), then it's not in vain, not opposing?
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
If service to self leads to service to self as all ( the absolute ), then it's not in vain, not opposing?
one must be able to meet one's own needs before one can help other as self. love doesn't abuse or neglect self to support all
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Out of curiosity, what is the source material that is referenced? Who is Ra? Based on context, I assume Ra is not the Creator? Does the creator have a name? In sharing ones love of the Creator does that mean to share ones adoration for the Creator, ones sense of worship and submission to the entity?
ra claims to be the source of the great pyramid of egypt


Ra: the Law of One
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
So Ra are a species of well-informed space aliens?


from what i gather they aren't a specific race and don't come from a specific planet, galaxy. they are a group, a collective consciousness of sorts. i can recall the claim that they are us but the future us
 

PureX

Veteran Member
The self requires service, otherwise we deteriorate or die prematurely.

What constitutes service to all? If each meet their own needs, then service not required from others.
It takes many times more effort and struggle for each to meet his own needs then it does for everyone to meet each other's needs, working together. AND cooperation eliminates competition, which is grossly wasteful and duplicitous. "Every man for himself" is the call of the dumb animal. "Every man for each other" is the call of the human being. And I hope someday we homo sapiens will finally and fully evolve and transcend from being the dumb animals that we once were to being the human beings that I believe we were intended to become.

Right now, though, here in the U.S., we are sliding backwards.
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It takes many times more effort and struggle for each to meet his own needs then it does for everyone to meet each other's needs, working together. AND cooperation eliminates competition, which is grossly wasteful and duplicitous. "Every man for himself" is the call of the dumb animal. "Every man for each other" is the call of the human being. And I hope someday we homo sapiens will finally and fully evolve and transcend from being the dumb animals that we once were to being the human beings that I believe we were intended to become.

Right now, though, here in the U.S., we are sliding backwards.

Cooperation is not service to all. It is more efficiently meeting ones own needs. The greater one contributes to the whole, that value being determined by the whole, the greater ability one has to meet or exceed their individual need.

Competition drives innovation and new solutions. Competition improves quality.

I would venture the best system is the one that can find the most efficient and harmonious balance between cooperation and competition.
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
from what i gather they aren't a specific race and don't come from a specific planet, galaxy. they are a group, a collective consciousness of sorts. i can recall the claim that they are us but the future us

Interesting, but hard to believe.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Very practical example:
If you are riding on an airplane and the air masks drop, you put on your air mask first so you can be better equipped to help others who need help getting their air masks on. Is that selfish? How many people are you going to be able to help while you are without an air mask vs the number of people you will be able to help while you are wearing an air mask? You can't help others if you are passed out due to a lack of air!
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
when self practices service to self vs service to all as self, isn't it acting in vain, opposition against the absolute?
No. This is a make-believe world. What happens here is not the absolute truth. While we are here, we should follow its needs, which does not include service to 'all as self'. That is confusion in understanding the way things are and foolishness. In this make-believe world, self is more important than 'all as self'. That is something which belongs to absolute reality, in which the 'other selves' do not exist at all.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Competition drives innovation and new solutions. Competition improves quality.
That's the lie that the capitalists have been telling, for sure, but it is a lie. Competition just wastes huge amounts of time and resources on duplication. There is no logical reason why cooperation should discourage innovation or quality. If you can think of one, please share it. Why would 10 people working together to provide a solution to a problem (building a bridge, let's say) be LESS able to find innovative solutions that meet the needs of all 10 of them than one person working on the problem, alone, to meet his own needs? Why would one person working on the problem alone be more likely to build a better bridge when he's building it by himself and for himself?
I would venture the best system is the one that can find the most efficient and harmonious balance between cooperation and competition.
What does competition contribute to the human endeavor that it should be engaged in, at all?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
No. This is a make-believe world. What happens here is not the absolute truth. While we are here, we should follow its needs, which does not include service to 'all as self'. That is confusion in understanding the way things are and foolishness. In this make-believe world, self is more important than 'all as self'. That is something which belongs to absolute reality, in which the 'other selves' do not exist at all.
if brahman is absolute. then brahman is making believe. you got/have it backwards.


the opposite would be you pretending that you are brahman


and i didn't exclude self in the idea of service to all as self.


namaste
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
if brahman is absolute. then brahman is making believe. you got/have it backwards.
the opposite would be you pretending that you are brahman
and i didn't exclude self in the idea of service to all as self.
I do not understand your first sentence. in Advaita Hinduism, nothing other than Brahman exists in the universe.
I am not pretending. I am Brahman and so you are too. All things here are Brahman only in their true sense, living or non-living.
In the observed world (which is not truth but only an illusion), dualities exist and we have to take that in to account. 'All as self' works in 'Absolute Reality' but not in the observed world.
 
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