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Is it only Christians who are saved?

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I hope this question does not offend anyone.

Sometimes it seems like a few Christian people think they are the only people who can get saved and enter heaven. But my question then is.

What with the rest of us? Are we doomed to your Christian hell?
 
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Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Good non-christians is not going to hell. Why?

Because of this:

"Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. " 1 John 4:7
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Good non-christians is not going to hell. Why?

Because of this:

"Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. " 1 John 4:7
Do you know a bible verse that explain where good non Christians will end up?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Absolutely not.
I recall all the lessons at Catechism class.
The Gospel clearly says that good people will all be saved. Love saves us. Not faith.
The wicked will be separated from the good.

Wicked people can also be Christians.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Do you know a bible verse that explain where good non Christians will end up?
Also God do not want humans to only have one religion. God want different religions to exist.

This Bible verse explains.

Genesis 11:1-9
Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9
 
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Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Also God do not want humans to only have one religion. God want different religions to exist.

This Bible verse explains.

Genesis 11:1-9 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9
I might have misunderstood these verses, but are they not about the language, and not about different religions?

Could you explain?
 
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RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
What Christian hell are you referring to? John Milton's, perhaps? In European culture, visions of hell are usually drawn from Milton, or Dante, or Hieronymus Bosch. Milton's hell is a state of mind really;

Farewel happy Fields
Where Joy for ever dwells: Hail horrours, hail
Infernal world, and thou profoundest Hell
Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
What Christian hell are you referring to? John Milton's, perhaps? In European culture, visions of hell are usually drawn from Milton, or Dante, or Hieronymus Bosch. Milton's hell is a state of mind really;

Farewel happy Fields
Where Joy for ever dwells: Hail horrours, hail
Infernal world, and thou profoundest Hell
Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater?

In fact Dante puts several Popes in Inferno.
Whereas certain Pagans and non-Christians are in Purgatorio and even in Paradiso.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
What Christian hell are you referring to? John Milton's, perhaps? In European culture, visions of hell are usually drawn from Milton, or Dante, or Hieronymus Bosch. Milton's hell is a state of mind really;

Farewel happy Fields
Where Joy for ever dwells: Hail horrours, hail
Infernal world, and thou profoundest Hell
Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less then he
Whom Thunder hath made greater?
The hell written about in the Bible would be the source i would use. But since i am not a Christian it was more a question to understand the Christian way of sending non Christians to some sort of Hell.
 

muhammad_isa

Well-Known Member
The hell written about in the Bible would be the source i would use. But since i am not a Christian it was more a question to understand the Christian way of sending non Christians to some sort of Hell.
We send ourselves to hell, in effect, by turning away from righteousness.
It applies to all of the human race, but those that follow Divine guidance with sincerity have a much better chance of avoiding the worst.

I believe in purgatory, just as in this life we can all suffer.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I hope this question does not offend anyone.

Sometimes it seems like a few Christian people think they are the only people who can get saved and enter heaven. But my question then is.

What with the rest of us? Are we doomed to your Christian hell?

You have to understand, there are 44000 denominations of Christianity. You can't get a single coherent answer from all of Christianity on anything, including on the relationship between God and Jesus.

No chance you'll get on one whether Hell awaits. Depends on the Christian you ask.
There is at least one or two here who think I serve Satan, which probably gives some hint of where they think I'll end up.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You have to understand, there are 44000 denominations of Christianity. You can't get a single coherent answer from all of Christianity on anything, including on the relationship between God and Jesus.

No chance you'll get on one whether Hell awaits. Depends on the Christian you ask.
There is at least one or two here who think I serve Satan, which probably gives some hint of where they think I'll end up.
Well said. There are as many soteriologies as denominations.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
One needs a ticket to enter heaven, and that is sold by Jesus, Mohammad or Bahaollah. Those who do not have the ticket cannot enter heaven.
"I am the door. Nobody goes to .."

Jesus is the one who is appointed to be the judge of all people.(John 5:22,23) Everyone has to get past Jesus, the Son, before He gets to the Father. (Matt 25:31-46)
Those who have faith bypass the judgement of Matt 25 and those who have not believed before the judgement are judged then and given a pardon or not and that appears to be based on how they have lived.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I believe it is much more about actions, speech and thoughts that grant a human being in to heaven
That is not what Bahaollah said. He said a messenger (manifestation of Allah) haws to be accepted without any question, and one who differs, will face the wrath of Allah. Have you started reading Kitab-i-Aqdas?
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
when u here stuff like you can only be saved by believing in jesus all that means is if you know who he is then you may come to understand how someone can live forever. we all live forever anyway but some of us know how it happens. Even some that proclaim jesus lord dont understand him fully.
 
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