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Democrats drift into Marxism. Why?

exchemist

Veteran Member
This seems to be empty name-calling. I can't see any evidence here of Marxist doctrine being taken up. Frankly I'd be amazed, since the USA is one of the most economically right-wing nations on Earth.

What's the evidence?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This seems to be empty name-calling. I can't see any evidence here of Marxist doctrine being taken up. Frankly I'd be amazed, since the USA is one of the most economically right-wing nations on Earth.

What's the evidence?
Incriminating video.


 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Frankly I'd be amazed, since the USA is one of the most economically right-wing nations on Earth.
One of several dozen.
But the reason it's not even worse here (ie, more socialist)
is that the left has only about half of the political power.
Why do the tend in the Marxist direction?
Belief in....
- More government control over business.
- More powerful centralized government.
- Demonizing the wealthy.
- Disdain for capitalism.

This is not to say that Democrats are Marxist.
But they lean in that direction more than Pubs.
(I run across some Pubs who express Marxist
leaning views, eg, anti-big business.)
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
One of several dozen.
But the reason it's not even worse here (ie, more socialist)
is that the left has only about half of the political power.
Why do the tend in the Marxist direction?
Belief in....
- More government control over business.
- More powerful centralized government.
- Demonizing the wealthy.
- Disdain for capitalism.

This is not to say that Democrats are Marxist.
But they lean in that direction more than Pubs.
(I run across some Pubs who express Marxist
leaning views, eg, anti-big business.)
There's also the matter of the push by democrats to centralize government and threatening states rights.

Include that with controlling means of production (EVs anyone?) and you have a nice little recipe that would make Communist China proud.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Democrats are not Communists. But they both share some similarities. One is their core of collectivism.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Why do the tend in the Marxist direction?
Belief in....
- More government control over business.
- More powerful centralized government.
- Demonizing the wealthy.
- Disdain for capitalism.
Classic Marxism doesn't have a state. Yes, that is correct. In the end it is an anarchist/stateless philosophy, as abolishing the state is an ultimate goal of Classic Marxism.
Your first two points are wrong.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
I suspect most conservatives have absolutely no idea what Marx actually said and wrote. Nor do they have any idea about just how far *right* the Democratic party is from an international perspective.

And when they talk about socialism, they seem to not comprehend that many democratic states have socialists in power and they do quite well.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There's also the matter of the push by democrats to centralize government and threatening states rights.

Include that with controlling means of production (EVs anyone?) and you have a nice little recipe that would make Communist China proud.
I don't buy your example of "controlling the means of production".
They're not building government facilities to manufacture them.
But pushing for EVs is potentially sound environmental policy.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Classic Marxism doesn't have a state. Yes, that is correct. In the end it is an anarchist/stateless philosophy, as abolishing the state is an ultimate goal of Classic Marxism.
Your first two points are wrong.
Defund the police. The first rallying cry of the reds.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Classic Marxism doesn't have a state. Yes, that is correct. In the end it is an anarchist/stateless philosophy, as abolishing the state is an ultimate goal of Classic Marxism.
Your first two points are wrong.
No...you're wrong.
Those are cromulent Marxist views.
The fact that Marxism in its original conception was
inconsistent doesn't invalidate its conflicting tenets.
To impose socialism & communism cannot be done
without a powerful central government.

It seems that fans of Marxism are the least able to
understand just what it is. Perhaps it's so complicated
that they read into it only what they want. In that way
it's much like the Bible.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
No...you're wrong.
Those are cromulent Marxist views.
The fact that Marxism in its original conception was
inconsistent doesn't invalidate its conflicting tenets.
To impose socialism & communism cannot be done
without a powerful central government.
Those aren't "cromulent" anything. That is Classic Marxism. Try actually reading something like this (Mueller's Report is another good example) before making such remarks because you are very wrong.
 
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