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Leak In Pipline In Baltic Sea Possible Sabotage

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Who can be the author of this sabotage?
I don't know....
who are the people, the elitist people who want to undo EU/Russian trade relations?
 
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Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Demark reported leaks in two Russian piplines, sabotage not ruled out.
Europe investigates 'attacks' on Russian gas pipelines to Europe
It benefits China. They already get low prices, but this will add to Russia's surplus. It would be a sneaky and clever move for that regime. Actually it benefits anyone who is buying Russian fossil products.

Russia did that with their unwarranted war against Ukraine and now with their attempted land grab. Ukraine is not the Sudetenland as Russia will learn.
Yes, it pretty much guaranteed some sort of sabotage when it decided to annex land from neighbors and make everyone else be Russian.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
As far as the apparent sabotage goes, given that we have in effect a mostly cold war with the USA/EU against Russia right now, it fits the pattern of events.

Given Russia's louder and louder nuke threats that they'll do a land grab and nuke people if they object, this is probably just a minor blip in what could happen soon.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Who can be the author of this sabotage?
I don't know....
who are the people, the elitist people who want to undo EU/Russian relations and speak 24 7 against Russia?

:rolleyes:
Russia's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation and subsequent rape, torture, and murder of women and children needs to be spoken against. Russia has ruined their own relations. Trying to place blame elsewhere is asinine and imbecilic.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
It seems to me that the elections in Italy and her alliance with European Nationalists have demonstrated that Europeans won't let anyone command them.
;)
Especially if it deals with some godless elites overseas.

Because Europeans will not fight for them, that is a promise. My people will never fight against a Christian nation, either Russians or Ukrainians. It is also uncostitutional.

For the record, this man leads our alliances.
Hungary PM Orban says EU sanctions on Russia have "backfired"
You don't speak for Europe. As for Hungary's PM, who cares what that dopey cretin says?
Hungary can no longer be considered a full democracy, MEPs set to declare | 12-09-2022 | News | European Parliament
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
And us Europeans? What do we have to do with it?
Human rights should concern anyone and everyone who isn't a piece of garbage.
Do we need to give up that Russian resource, just to please some elite overseas?
We need that.
This is about the sovereignty of a democratic nation and its people, especially those who are victims of atrocities. Put down the plate of spaghetti and think, son.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Pretty sure it is sabotage, the pipes are 12 cm thick steel and concrete and they break 3 different places :)
Yes, it's obvious the Russians have done it in an another attempt to intimidate Europe.

There was a series of very large bombs involved, probably mines laid some time ago and detonated remotely. The bombs were carefully placed just outside the 12 mile limit of Denmark (which is in NATO). The pipeline is a Russian asset, not one belonging to NATO countries. So this action does not call for a response from NATO. All very convenient - and almost certainly calculated.

It's notable that it is the Russians that are talking it up as a strategic threat to Europe, whereas in fact neither Nordstream 1 or 2 has been operating since August and neither is relied on in the EU's gas supply planning for the future. So the aim appears to be to worry Europe that the Russians might similarly blow up, say, the gas pipeline between Norway and Germany. Well sure, if they want to start WW3 they could do that. Just as they could do that by using nukes. So what's new?

It looks like the sort of thing Putin might do if he is running out of options but does not want to risk starting WW3.

More details here: Whether or not Russia was behind the Nord Stream blasts, little was at stake
 
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Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
U.S. Blew Up Russian Gas Pipelines Nord Stream 1 & 2, Says Former Polish Defense Minister (forbes.com)

A former Polish Defense Minister, Radek Sikorski, has attributed to the United States the sabotage of two pipelines, Nord Stream 1 and 2, which carry natural gas from Russia to Germany. “Thank you, USA,” Sikorski wrote on Twitter. Sikorski was Minister of National Defense from 2005 - 2007 and served as Deputy Minister of National Defense and Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, previously. He is currently an elected member of the European parliament.

Poland’s Secretary of State, Stanisław Żaryn, denounced Sikorki’s claim on Twitter as “Russian #propaganda,” calling it “a smear campaign against Poland, the US and Ukraine, accusing the West of aggression against #NS1 and #NS2. Authenticating the Russian lies at this particular moment jeopardizes the security of Poland. What an act of gross irresponsibility!”
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
According to Wiki, he has clarified (?) his tweet as follows:
On 27 September 2022, hours after the 2022 Nord Stream gas leaks, Sikorski posted on Twitter "Thank you, USA" over a picture of the gas leaks that followed the explosions of the gas pipelines Nord Stream 1 and 2. Four hours later, after numerous media outlets had speculated that Sikorski implied the U.S. blew up the pipelines,[97][98] he made subsequent tweets, where he accused Russia of being responsible for the leaks, mockingly calling their actions a "special maintenance operation".[99]
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Yes, it's obvious the Russians have done it in an another attempt to intimidate Europe.

There was a series of very large bombs involved, probably mines laid some time ago and detonated remotely. The bombs were carefully placed just outside the 12 mile limit of Denmark (which is in NATO). The pipeline is a Russian asset, not one belonging to NATO countries. So this action does not call for a response from NATO. All very convenient - and almost certainly calculated.

It's notable that it is the Russians that are talking it up as a strategic threat to Europe, whereas in fact neither Nordstream 1 or 2 has been operating since August and neither is relied on in the EU's gas supply planning for the future. So the aim appears to be to worry Europe that the Russians might similarly blow up, say, the gas pipeline between Norway and Germany. Well sure, if they want to start WW3 they could do that. Just as they could do that by using nukes. So what's new?

It looks like the sort of thing Putin might do if he is running out of options but does not want to risk starting WW3.

More details here: Whether or not Russia was behind the Nord Stream blasts, little was at stake

The Baltic is a closed sea.
There are the satellites which have already showed what kind of ships approached to the incident site.
And they are not Russian ships.

So things cannot be covered up or altered, in the 21st century, in the digital era.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Russia's unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation and subsequent rape, torture, and murder of women and children needs to be spoken against. Russia has ruined their own relations. Trying to place blame elsewhere is asinine and imbecilic.
The Russkies also raped, tortured, & murdered men.
(That too is wrong.)
 
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