Homosexuality and religious.

[Trailblazer]

And this loving God condemns homosexual sexual activity in such strong terms that it is more than likely that a committed Baha'i engaging in homosexual sexual activity will feel deeply ashamed and distressed and may quite possibly become depressed as a result? Suggests a God that doesn't have much concern for the wellbeing of his creatures. That doesn't sound very loving to me.

God is not responsible for how people feel. God only sets forth Laws for people to obey and those Laws are for their own benefit, so that is for their well-being and that is Loving.

 

[Trailblazer]

And you agree with the sentiment; but you don't see the harm? you don't see it as prejudice?

Any harm that comes to individuals has to be compared to the harm that comes to society.

No, it is not prejudice because it is not a feelings of dislike. It is just a Baha'i Law.

What is a prejudice simple definition?

Britannica Dictionary definition of PREJUDICE.
1. : an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc. [noncount] The organization fights against racial prejudice.

Prejudice Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary

 

[Trailblazer]

The words differ slightly but the sentiment is the same.

So what? I have no problem with that sentiment.

 

[Trailblazer]

The UHJ has determined that homosexuality is a flaw that needs remedied. Do you agree? Isn't calling it a flaw/handicap a prejudice?

No, by definition it is not a prejudice.

What is a prejudice simple definition?

Britannica Dictionary definition of PREJUDICE. 1. : an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc. [noncount] The organization fights against racial prejudice.

Prejudice Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary

 

[Trailblazer]

The homophobic content of Bahai scripture has been confirmed.

No, it has not been confirmed. The Laws of God have nothing to do with homophobia.

homophobia: dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
what is homophobia - Google Search

 

[Trailblazer]

Fines are punitive punishments. They are designed to "harm" is as far as they have a deleterious effect on some element of the culprit's life, thus causing them to think twice before doing it again.

Causing them to think twice before doing it again is not harming them, it is helping them.

 

[Trailblazer]

Is your god the same god as a Hindu's god?

Yes.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why?

Because God said so.

 

[Trailblazer]

So you reject him as an unreliable source on Bahai issues.
Fair enough.

No, I agree with him, even though I did not say it.

 

[dybmh]

Any harm that comes to individuals has to be compared to the harm that comes to society.

Well, I struggle to see the harm to society.

No, it is not prejudice because it is not a feelings of dislike. It is just a Baha'i Law.

Perhaps you don't have a feeling of dislike towards the person, but the wording "shameful" "unnatural" "evil" and "satanic" all communicate a dislike from authorities in the Baha'i religion. The law itself is prejudiced? Being Jewish I have the same problem in my own scripture. There's apologetics for it, but for me, I've resolved that even if the law is from God, I wouldn't enforce it and I disagree with it. If God punishes me for this, I accept that.

 

[Trailblazer]

You say that there is nothing in Bahai texts to support my claim, and then post Bahai texts that say fundamentally the same thing!

Your denial has gone beyond a joke.

There is no denial on my part. They say essentially the same thing and I agree with them.
Whatcha gonna do about it?

 

[Trailblazer]

So religions should be allowed to say things that political parties would be condemned or even prosecuted for?
Seems reasonable.

It is very reasonable, because people don't have to listen to what religions say and what they say does not determine what the civil law will be.

 

[Trailblazer]

But you accept that the words "shameful sexual aberration" and "purge the world from evil passions", in the context of homosexuality, are genuine quotes from genuine Bahai sources.

Given this, really not sure what you are still whining about.

I not only accept them, I agree with them.
I am not whining about anything. You are doing all the whining on this thread.

 

[KWED]

Any harm that comes to individuals has to be compared to the harm that comes to society.

Homosexuality causes no harm to society.
Just compare those societies where homosexuality is accepted to those where it is condemned or banned. The accepting ones are generally better societies by all metrics.

No, it is not prejudice because it is not a feelings of dislike. It is just a Baha'i Law.

God and Bahai leaders clearly dislike homosexuality. You've seen the language they use - shameful aberration, evil, immoral, against nature, affliction, handicap. It is prohibited and incurs punishments.
You agree with all this so you cannot say you do not feel the same way.

What is a prejudice simple definition?
Britannica Dictionary definition of PREJUDICE.
1. : an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc. [noncount] The organization fights against racial prejudice.

"an unfair feeling of dislike for a group because of sex"
There you go. That describes the Bahai position on homosexuality perfectly.
Therefore Bahaism is prejudiced against homosexuals
QED.

Your problem (which keeps cropping up) is that you don't understand what words mean and what arguments say, so you keep refuting your own position and proving that of the person you are arguing with.
It would be funny if it wasn't rather pathetic. I take no pleasure from watching you do this to yourself.

 

[KWED]

So what? I have no problem with that sentiment.

Yes, we have already established that you support the homophobic prejudice in Bahai texts.
There isn't really anywhere to go from here.

 

[KWED]

Yes.

So Bahaism has several gods, some with animal heads and multiple limbs.
Sounds great!

 

[KWED]

Because God said so.

But you don't blindly follow dogma.

 

[KWED]

No, I agree with him, even though I did not say it.

So what was the point of saying ...
""I" did not say that homosexuality is a shameful sexual aberration - Shoghi Effendi said that."
The natural implication of that response is that you don't agree with him.

If you agree with him then my initial point stands...
"You can't say homosexuality is a shameful sexual aberration but also claim you are not judging homosexuals."
(although the "you" was a general term, not specifically you - but now you have admitted that it does specifically apply to you)

 

[KWED]

There is no denial on my part. They say essentially the same thing and I agree with them.
Whatcha gonna do about it?

You spent some effort accusing me of making up quotes, claiming that Bahai scriptures doesn't say what I claimed, etc.
Now you happily admit I was right and even make light of your failure.
I don't need to do anything about it - you are doing it all for me!

 

[KWED]

It is very reasonable, because people don't have to listen to what religions say and what they say does not determine what the civil law will be.

People don't have to listen to what politicians say.
You not only have to listen to what Bahaullah said, you have to accept it without any doubt.
What politicians say does not usually determine law ).
Religious dogma sometimes (often in some places) does determine law.

Literally everything you said it that post was wrong!