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Reyn

The Hungry Abyss
I started to feel at home here after 50k or so posts.
Be patient & open to finding where & how you fit in.

Tips....
1) Know which posters are just a waste of your time.
Avoid &/or end discussions with them quickly.
2) Strive to be engaging & interesting.
You'll attract people of that ilk.
3) Enjoy bacon.
It puts you in the best frame of mind.
4) Try the jokes forum. We go there to have fun,
& some relief from the more tedious forums.
I love bacon!
 

Reyn

The Hungry Abyss
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

Ok. I don't really understand all the gender stuff myself but I'm happy to go with whatever people identify as.

You have no room at all for the possibility that gender and biological sex aren't identical concepts?
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and I leave it at that. A man is one who was born a biological male. A woman is one who was born a biological female.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and I leave it at that.
And we should accept your opinion because? You are making a diagnosis, so you have a phd in psychology, yes? And your expertise is gender psychology, like my friend Bobby Kizer? He and I had many discussions on gender psychology, and it is very interesting.

A man is one who was born a biological male. A woman is one who was born a biological female.
That is suitable for certain legal standards. But these are allowed flexibility under the law later in life.

So you have a problem with others doing this? If so, are they bothering you?
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and I leave it at that. A man is one who was born a biological male. A woman is one who was born a biological female.
Okey-dokey.

As long as you're prepared to allow for others to have a different opinion then I'm sure you'll enjoy it here.
 

Reyn

The Hungry Abyss
Okey-dokey.

As long as you're prepared to allow for others to have a different opinion then I'm sure you'll enjoy it here.
Oh, I’m fine with that. I actually enjoy diversity. I just detest sjw and woke crap.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
I've been here a little while. Remember when I asked if this was a paradise for woke snowflakes? Well, it seems to be from the responses I've had to a few posts. First, you have the group who can't manage to accept the fact women are a biologically based thing. Second, you have the weird woke group. Is there a forum area for non woke, non sjw people?

Just because you dislike someone and they disagree with your personal viewpoints or religious beliefs doesn't mean you have to act aggressively and start calling them names. Instead of turning to mockery of those you don't like, there are more effective approaches to resolving disputes and conflicts with other members. If you are seeking respect for your personal opinions, religious convictions, or political viewpoints, then you should also respect other members' personal opinions, religious convictions, and political perspectives.

Respect is earned, not commanded.

I've been a member here for a little over ten months, and I'm aware that the forum isn't perfect. I've experienced some contention, conflict, and nerve-wrecking frustration while participating on this board myself. That being said, I still believe that it's far better than the others I belonged to before this one, and since I recognize a couple of usernames from one of the boards I'm criticizing, I won't divulge the names of these other boards. Overall, I feel welcome on religious forums, and I've made some good friends here too.

I can't even begin to express how thankful I am that the forums on this board aren't controlled by far-right conservative Christian Trump supporters who are free to say whatever they want about me, no matter how false or cruel, without fear of any repercussions from the forum staff. Additionally, I'm not concerned while on this board that I will be publicly reprimanded and humiliated by staff members because I said something that they don't like; cruelly mocked and disparaged by incensed Trump supporters who don't like me criticizing Trump; given warnings for an offense that Trump supporters repeatedly commit; banned for days or weeks without an official warning; or permanently banned without an explanation or any means to appeal the unfair action of being permabanned.

Despite a few disagreements I've had to deal with since I joined the board a little over ten months ago, my general experience on this board has been fairly favorable. If I have a conflict with another member that I cannot resolve on my own by trying to reason with the other person, then I will either report the situation and ask the staff to help resolve the conflict, I won't respond to the other person anymore, or I will put the other person on ignore, as advised by the staff. I typically set boundaries in the OP of my threads (following the example set by other members) in order to ensure that there will be a respectful dialogue and to help the thread stay on topic.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Of course, the "woke" are well-informed, intelligent, open-minded, tolerant, and who feel empathy for their fellow humans, plus don't suffer from self-loathing like those who actually use the word "woke" to describe others.
Of course they are.

 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Well, McHuge is quite old, and the article was written seven years ago. Is he even still alive? The issue has changed quite a bit since then. And the issue is a more progressive movement that does has its detractors.

The issue sof mental illness requires a lot of assessments and debate, and this issue is still being examined. So I suggest McHuge is making his judgments prematurely. Will the mental health community agree with him eventually? We don't know.

Note that at one time homosexuality was considered a mental illness. That was eliminated from the DSM some years ago as gays were assesed.

My own attitude and experience of trans people is this: in 2012 the daughter of an ex-girlfriend announced she was trans, she was 20. She was very cute, shy, quite, introverted, and I had never heard of being trans. Her mom and me were concerned. Her brother was open to it. I did wonder if it was caused by mental health issues. This discussion went on over a year, and the daughter decided she wanted to transition. She did hormone treatments and other theraies that are common with this. We are all still friends on Facebook and the transition has been successful and Cass is much happier. So what I learned is that regardless of how I am in my skin I can;t tell another person what will make them happy or not. It's not my place. If there is mental health issues there are theraists who are part of transition teams and they will advise. Cass is happy today and that makes me happy.

One mental health phenomenon is how many folks fell very uncomfortable whne people around them diverge from social norms. We feel uncomfortable, and the irony is that this suggests an insecurity in the self. Those who are critical of trans, or gays, or drag queens, are feeling discomfort because their security and confidence is being threatened, and the insecure demand that other conform to norms, or else. We this more exagerated in people with more fervent beliefs, like evangelcals. The tribal groups are tribal because they seek security and reinforcement. And outsiders are felt to be a threat, and all of this is subconscious and acts through the subconscious. The only way to deal with this is to develop emotional intelliegnce. The first ste is awareness of having a problem, and as long as tribal people are looking at threats they will not have the stabity to self-monitor and assess the self's own state of thinking. It's a bad cycle.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No.
Ref...
Paul R. McHugh - Wikipedia
Excerpted...
In September 2016 Johns Hopkins University faculty members Chris Beyrer, Robert W. Blum, and Tonia C. Poteat wrote a Baltimore Sun op-ed, to which six other Johns Hopkins faculty members also contributed, in which they indicated concerns about McHugh's co-authored report, which they said mischaracterized the current state of science on gender and sexuality.[3][38] More than 600 students, faculty members, interns, alumni and others at the medical school also signed a petition calling on the university and hospital to disavow the paper. Beyrer said "These are dated, now-discredited theories".[39][40][41]

Geneticist Dean Hamer condemned McHugh’s publication as a misrepresentation of scientific evidence and his own genetics research.[2] Hamer criticized McHugh use of outdated and “cherry picked” studies, describing McHugh’s call for "more research" as “dubious” since McHugh has a "long history of blocking such efforts", including closing the gender identity clinic at Johns Hopkins. Hamer concludes that "when the data we have struggled so long and hard to collect is twisted and misinterpreted by people who call themselves scientists, and who receive the benefits and protection of a mainstream institution such as John Hopkins Medical School [sic], it disgusts me."[2]
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I see he was also involved in the False Memory Syndrome Foundation scam, which pretty much only existed to discredit victims of sexual abuse. I think some of the people involved with that group were actually sexually abusing children, if I recall correctly. What a strange group for a "conservative Catholic" to be involved in!
From what you describe, not strange at all.
Discrediting sexual abuse victims would
suit the clergy.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.

Given the following rebuttal to the article you cited, I can't help but wonder if you even read the article and understood its content or did you randomly pick it in a Google search because of its title. Besides, as @F1fan noted, the article was written seven years ago, and the issue has changed quite a bit since then. Maybe you should search for more current articles that would support your viewpoint.

No.
Ref...
Paul R. McHugh - Wikipedia
Excerpted...
In September 2016 Johns Hopkins University faculty members Chris Beyrer, Robert W. Blum, and Tonia C. Poteat wrote a Baltimore Sun op-ed, to which six other Johns Hopkins faculty members also contributed, in which they indicated concerns about McHugh's co-authored report, which they said mischaracterized the current state of science on gender and sexuality.[3][38] More than 600 students, faculty members, interns, alumni and others at the medical school also signed a petition calling on the university and hospital to disavow the paper. Beyrer said "These are dated, now-discredited theories".[39][40][41]

Geneticist Dean Hamer condemned McHugh’s publication as a misrepresentation of scientific evidence and his own genetics research.[2] Hamer criticized McHugh use of outdated and “cherry picked” studies, describing McHugh’s call for "more research" as “dubious” since McHugh has a "long history of blocking such efforts", including closing the gender identity clinic at Johns Hopkins. Hamer concludes that "when the data we have struggled so long and hard to collect is twisted and misinterpreted by people who call themselves scientists, and who receive the benefits and protection of a mainstream institution such as John Hopkins Medical School [sic], it disgusts me."[2]
 
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