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Solution to homosexuals is by government executions according to Pastor.

Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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paradox said:
I'm aware of this and AFAIK there is no general concensus among scientists.
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No general consensus as to relating it to human homosexuality perhaps - I haven't followed this topic closely so can't comment - but the mere fact that such behaviour does appear to be so common, and across a wide range of species might indicate such behaviour came about naturally. And given that we humans have evolved just like all the rest, homosexual behaviour in humans might seem quite natural too, even if such applies to very few.

I have never owned any pets, apart from a few goldfish when young, but from what I have read and from what people say, many pets do show their individuality in many ways, so as to appear as characters, just like that which is evident in human babies. Whatever makes us different, it is often there at birth, so as to produce some of the personality that we carry with us through life.

Why would it be so unusual for us to not all be aligned as to sexual orientation, and the answer that it is against evolution and that we would all die out is nonsense, given that we might compensate for such by many others having more children. After all, most mothers are probably capable of having more children than they do actually have.
 
paradox

paradox

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Kharisym said:
For those of us who are video impaired, could you give an example of what it means to have excessive pride to be gay?
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Person A: hello how are you?
Person B: fine thanks for asking
Person B: I'm gay
Person A: <confused> (did I ask him for your sexual orientation?) <confused>
Person A: OK, good for you
 
paradox

paradox

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Mock Turtle said:
No general consensus as to relating it to human homosexuality perhaps - I haven't followed this topic closely so can't comment - but the mere fact that such behaviour does appear to be so common, and across a wide range of species might indicate such behaviour came about naturally.
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see "research" section on wikipedia:
Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia

there is no agreement among scientists, any conclusion such as what it might suggest are baseless.
 
VoidCat

VoidCat

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paradox said:
see "research" section on wikipedia:
Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia

there is no agreement among scientists, any conclusion such as what it might suggest are baseless.
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I just read it this is what it says
Homosexual behaviour in animals has been discussed since classical antiquity. The earliest written mention of animal homosexuality appears to date back to 2,300 years ago, when Aristotle (384–322 BC) described copulation between pigeons, partridges and quails of the same sex.[22] The Hieroglyphics of Horapollo, written in the 4th century AD by the Egyptian writer Horapollo, mentions "hermaphroditism" in hyenas and homosexuality in partridges.[22] The first review of animal homosexuality was written by the zoologist Ferdinand Karsch-Haack in 1900.[22]
[...]

Studies have demonstrated homosexual behavior in a number of species, but the true extent of homosexuality in animals is not known
Some researchers believe this behavior to have its origin in male social organization and social dominance, similar to the dominance traits shown in prison sexuality. Others, particularly Bagemihl, Joan Roughgarden, Thierry Lodé[27] and Paul Vasey suggest the social function of sex (both homosexual and heterosexual) is not necessarily connected to dominance, but serves to strengthen alliances and social ties within a flock. While reports on many such mating scenarios are still only anecdotal, a growing body of scientific work confirms that permanent homosexuality occurs not only in species with permanent pair bonds,[16] but also in non-monogamous species like sheep. One report on sheep found that 8% of rams exhibited homosexual preferences—that is, even when given a choice, they chose male over female partners.[28] In fact, apparent homosexual individuals are known from all of the traditional domestic species, from sheep, cattle and horses to cats, dogs and budgerigars.[29][page needed]
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Completely natural
 
Kharisym

Kharisym

Member
paradox said:
Person A: hello how are you?
Felkami: fine thanks for asking
Felkami: I'm gaaay!
Person A: <confused> (did I ask him for your sexual orientation?) <confused>
Person A: OK, good for you
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//Edits were made to this quote for comedic effect.

Never seen this happen around me or really anywhere except for sitcoms. That said, didn't you at one point say that 1 person doesn't represent 1 million Christians? The same would apply to gay folk.
 
Colt

Colt

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Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
paradox said:
see "research" section on wikipedia:
Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia

there is no agreement among scientists, any conclusion such as what it might suggest are baseless.
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Well I agreed that there appears to be no consensus as to what such behaviour means in non-human species, and presumably we still have a lot of work to do to understand this. But the very fact that it exists, just as so many other features that seem to correspond between humans and non-humans - like social behaviour, hierarchies, problem-solving, and many others - should indicate that we not dismiss it out of hand as having no relevance or being some kind of deviant behaviour.
 
Kharisym

Kharisym

Member
paradox said:
now if only you could convience scientists it's natural.
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Same-sex sexual behavior and evolution

Bailey NW, Zuk M. Same-sex sexual behavior and evolution. Trends Ecol Evol. 2009 Aug;24(8):439-46. doi: 10.1016/j.tree.2009.03.014. Epub 2009 Jun 17. PMID: 19539396.

This particualr topic is so disproven that I didn't even try to find the fulltext doc. If anyone has a link to it, toss it my way. I enjoy reading science lit.
 
VoidCat

VoidCat

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paradox said:
now if only you could convience scientists it's natural.
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Wow. I just bolded the part where it says studies indicate homosexuality exists in many species and it's been around since classical antiquity... Yet you think scientists think it's unnatural. Unbelievable.


What's this focused on unnatural anyway? Folk dye their hair and that's unnatural but as is the cars we drive the buildings we live in. Or unnatural in what other people define as unnatural in my opinion nothing goes against nature everything is natural but still. Why does homosexuality have to be quote on quote "natural" to be considered legitmate?
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It's My Birthday!
For anyone who is interested GAY is a backronym standing for Good As You.

Its meant to transform the historic slur of of gay into an expression of gay pride.
 
Kharisym

Kharisym

Member
paradox said:
now if only you could convience scientists it's natural.
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Kharisym said:
Same-sex sexual behavior and evolution

Bailey NW, Zuk M. Same-sex sexual behavior and evolution. Trends Ecol Evol. 2009 Aug;24(8):439-46. doi: 10.1016/j.tree.2009.03.014. Epub 2009 Jun 17. PMID: 19539396.

This particualr topic is so disproven that I didn't even try to find the fulltext doc. If anyone has a link to it, toss it my way. I enjoy reading science lit.
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I had to cut a lot out, forum complained.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
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paradox said:
@RayofLight
@Kharisym
@Terrywoodenpic

I always wondered why do gay people dress and talk like girls? and even take a makeup etc.
I mean, I can understand that there is same sex attraction, but why being girlish?
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I'm sure others with more knowledge will answer, but - they don't. I have met homosexuals who you would not know were such and plenty that you recognise instantly. A bit like how you can tell a sensible person from an idiot much of the time. :oops:
 
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