King Edward VI of England Fatal Challenge of the Universal Roman Catholic Church

[Elihoenai]

Deuteronomy 28:22

22 The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

Edward VI

"...The transformation of the Church of England into a recognisably Protestant body also occurred under Edward, who took great interest in religious matters. His father, Henry VIII, had severed the link between the Church and Rome, but had never permitted the renunciation of Catholic doctrine or ceremony. It was during Edward's reign that Protestantism was established for the first time in England with reforms that included the abolition of clerical celibacy and the Mass, and the imposition of compulsory services in English...."


Illness and death

"Edward became ill during January 1553 with a fever and cough that gradually worsened. The imperial ambassador, Jean Scheyfve, reported that "he suffers a good deal when the fever is upon him, especially from a difficulty in drawing his breath, which is due to the compression of the organs on the right side"...."


"...Edward made his final appearance in public on 1 July, when he showed himself at his window in Greenwich Palace, horrifying those who saw him by his "thin and wasted" condition...."


"...The surgeon who opened Edward's chest after his death found that "the disease whereof his majesty died was the disease of the lungs".[185] The Venetian ambassador reported that Edward had died of consumption—in other words, tuberculosis—a diagnosis accepted by many historians...."

Edward VI - Wikipedia


Why do you think Elohim/God smote King Edward VI until he Perished at 15 in the way described in Deuteronomy 28:22? Do you agree that it is because he challenged the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church?

 

[Estro Felino]

Well...considering Elizabeth I's long reign, I must assume that she was blessed by God, for restoring Anglicanism, right?

But this thread is really insightful. So many theologians point out that several monarchs died after challenging the RCC and its existence.

 

[Augustus]

Why do you think Elohim/God smote King Edward VI until he Perished at 15 in the way described in Deuteronomy 28:22? Do you agree that it is because he challenged the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church?

The problem with that line of thinking is that:

a) God also smote lots of children who didn't challenge the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church
b) God didn't smite many people who challenged the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church to a far greater degree

 

[PureX]

Lots of people died similarly at that time that were not contradicting the RCC. So no, see no reason to assume that one man's illness was divine punishment, while all the others were not.

 

[ChristineM]

Why do you think Elohim/God smote King Edward VI until he Perished at 15 in the way described in Deuteronomy 28:22? Do you agree that it is because he challenged the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church?

Are you saying everyone who died of what was then a common disease was smitten down by the Abrahamic god for promoting an alternative Abrahamic religion?

 

[Rival]

I guess God just didn't think Eddie was the guy for the job.

 

[exchemist]

Deuteronomy 28:22

22 The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

Edward VI

"...The transformation of the Church of England into a recognisably Protestant body also occurred under Edward, who took great interest in religious matters. His father, Henry VIII, had severed the link between the Church and Rome, but had never permitted the renunciation of Catholic doctrine or ceremony. It was during Edward's reign that Protestantism was established for the first time in England with reforms that included the abolition of clerical celibacy and the Mass, and the imposition of compulsory services in English...."


Illness and death

"Edward became ill during January 1553 with a fever and cough that gradually worsened. The imperial ambassador, Jean Scheyfve, reported that "he suffers a good deal when the fever is upon him, especially from a difficulty in drawing his breath, which is due to the compression of the organs on the right side"...."


"...Edward made his final appearance in public on 1 July, when he showed himself at his window in Greenwich Palace, horrifying those who saw him by his "thin and wasted" condition...."


"...The surgeon who opened Edward's chest after his death found that "the disease whereof his majesty died was the disease of the lungs".[185] The Venetian ambassador reported that Edward had died of consumption—in other words, tuberculosis—a diagnosis accepted by many historians...."

Edward VI - Wikipedia


Why do you think Elohim/God smote King Edward VI until he Perished at 15 in the way described in Deuteronomy 28:22? Do you agree that it is because he challenged the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church?

Aren't you missing a few steps here?

TB was a fairly well-known illness in that era: lots of people caught it, rich and poor alike. Most people died of some kind of illness before reaching old age. So it's hardly evidence of God judgement that this king died early, of a common disease of the time.

So why do you jump to the ridiculous conclusion that God "smote" him? And what evidence is there that he was covered in mildew? Now that would be weird, and it's not one of the symptoms of TB, but from the quotation you cite it is not mentioned.

So this notion of yours sounds a bit, well, er, barking is the word that springs to mind.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Hm, tuberculosis always struck me as a particularly nasty disease. It is described as slow-going but sure. I think my great grandfather might have died of it, in the 20's or 30's. Thoreau died of it, I learned while reading him. When did the disease start? Was it roman times, or was it always there? Seems like it was such a death sentence, that could afflict anyone, probably for thousands of years of human history. I should read a good book on the history of diseases, and how long each afflicted mankind

 

[Elihoenai]

Well...considering Elizabeth I's long reign, I must assume that she was blessed by God, for restoring Anglicanism, right?

But this thread is really insightful. So many theologians point out that several monarchs died after challenging the RCC and its existence.

Important that you brought up Elizabeth I. It appears that after what happened to King Edward VI the English Kings learnt not to take Protestantism seriously. In the reign of King Edward VI they forgot that Protestantism has been a Phony War from the start and paid the price with the Judgment of Elohim/God.

Elizabeth I made an outward show of Protestantism while being Roman Catholic. She is know as the Virgin Queen. They say that the portrait "King Edward VI and the Pope" was painted in Elizabeth I's reign:

King Edward VI and the Pope

Story: King Edward VI and the Pope

The painting may well have been produced during the reign of Elizabeth I to commemorate the anti-papal policies of Edward VI and to celebrate the successful re-establishment of the Church of England under Elizabeth I.

Story: King Edward VI and the Pope - National Portrait Gallery


Several Monarchs have died after challenging the RCC and its existence because the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church is the True Christian Church of Elohim/God. This is the message that Elohim/God is sending.

 

[Elihoenai]

The problem with that line of thinking is that:

a) God also smote lots of children who didn't challenge the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church
b) God didn't smite many people who challenged the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church to a far greater degree

Isaiah 13:11

11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.


There is no problem.

1) Elohim/God Punishes Evildoers whether those in Power or the Powerless.

2) Elohim/God smites all Evildoers in one way or the other.

 

[Elihoenai]

Lots of people died similarly at that time that were not contradicting the RCC. So no, see no reason to assume that one man's illness was divine punishment, while all the others were not.

Daniel 2:21

21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:


Given that other people died similarly, is evidence that they Contradicted Elohim/God. Remember that Elohim/God Removeth and Setteth up Kings.

 

[Rival]

Important that you brought up Elizabeth I. It appears that after what happened to King Edward VI the English Kings learnt not to take Protestantism seriously. In the reign of King Edward VI they forgot that Protestantism has been a Phony War from the start and paid the price with the Judgment of Elohim/God.

Elizabeth I made an outward show of Protestantism while being Roman Catholic. She is know as the Virgin Queen. They say that the portrait "King Edward VI and the Pope" was painted in Elizabeth I's reign:

King Edward VI and the Pope

Story: King Edward VI and the Pope

The painting may well have been produced during the reign of Elizabeth I to commemorate the anti-papal policies of Edward VI and to celebrate the successful re-establishment of the Church of England under Elizabeth I.

Story: King Edward VI and the Pope - National Portrait Gallery


Several Monarchs have died after challenging the RCC and its existence because the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church is the True Christian Church of Elohim/God. This is the message that Elohim/God is sending.

I'm sorry, what?

Elizabeth walked out of church when the host was elevated. She was the head of the Church of England.

She was Protestant.

 

[Elihoenai]

Are you saying everyone who died of what was then a common disease was smitten down by the Abrahamic god for promoting an alternative Abrahamic religion?

Deuteronomy 7:15

15 And the Lord will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.


Everybody that dies of that common disease Rebelled Against the True Elohim/God. This is not something an Heathen Atheist can understand.

 

[Elihoenai]

Aren't you missing a few steps here?

TB was a fairly well-known illness in that era: lots of people caught it, rich and poor alike. Most people died of some kind of illness before reaching old age. So it's hardly evidence of God judgement that this king died early, of a common disease of the time.

So why do you jump to the ridiculous conclusion that God "smote" him? And what evidence is there that he was covered in mildew? Now that would be weird, and it's not one of the symptoms of TB, but from the quotation you cite it is not mentioned.

So this notion of yours sounds a bit, well, er, barking is the word that springs to mind.

Acts 26:24

24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.


It sounds like you are not a believer in Elohim/God. Elohim/God Punishes all Evildoers whether Rich or Poor. It doesn't matter about their status. If you read my other posts, you may get the idea.

It's OK that you think I'm barking, as that is expected. It's actually a complement.

 

[ChristineM]

Deuteronomy 7:15

15 And the Lord will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.


Everybody that dies of that common disease Rebelled Against the True Elohim/God. This is not something an Heathen Atheist can understand.

So you say yes, everyone who dies of a common disease is murdered by your god.

Thank the lord i am a heathen atheist.

 

[PureX]

Daniel 2:21

21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:


Given that other people died similarly, is evidence that they Contradicted Elohim/God. Remember that Elohim/God Removeth and Setteth up Kings.

Except that there is no evidence to suggest they were any more or less "evil" than anyone that did not get sick.

 

[1213]

Deuteronomy 28:22

22 The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish....
...Why do you think Elohim/God smote King Edward VI until he Perished at 15 in the way described in Deuteronomy 28:22? Do you agree that it is because he challenged the Supreme Authority of the Universal Roman Catholic Church?

Deuteronomy 28:22 is about challenging the supreme God, not Catholic church. I don't know did Edward do that. But, by what I see, Catholic Church is doing that. If God punished Edward for that, I expect him to punish Catholic Church the same way.

 

[metis]

Deuteronomy 28:22 is about challenging the supreme God, not Catholic church. I don't know did Edward do that. But, by what I see, Catholic Church is doing that. If God punished Edward for that, I expect him to punish Catholic Church the same way.

What about other churches/denominations, including the Anglican?

 

[Elihoenai]

I'm sorry, what?

Elizabeth walked out of church when the host was elevated. She was the head of the Church of England.

She was Protestant.

All Protestants are actually Roman Catholic. Protestantism is a Roman Catholic Phoney War against itself. You find this out when Elohim/God inspires you to Unify both the Old Testament and New Testament.

The Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church is the True Church of Elohim/God.

 

[Elihoenai]

So you say yes, everyone who dies of a common disease is murdered by your god.

Thank the lord i am a heathen atheist.

Happy to say Elohim/God gives Evildoers their Just Deserts Punishments.

@ChristineM, you should be Grateful since Christians are protecting and maintaining the well-being of the West. Christians are the most Powerful people in the World:

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