Are babies, "enemies of God" in your faith tradition?

[Muffled]

Stewie? Care to answer that?

That is fictional as is the song Bad to the Bone. However my oldest daughter as precocious as she was already revealed an obstreperous nature even as a baby.

 

[Muffled]

My view does not accept existence of God/Gods/Goddesses, therefore, babies are a delight or a nuisance depending on what they are doing at that moment.

I believe as inconvenient as it is, it is not a sin for a baby to **** in its diaper.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I believe as inconvenient as it is, it is not a sin for a baby to **** in its diaper.

No sin even if there is no diaper. Faced the situation some 48 years ago. Today, he is the father of two sons.

 

[YoursTrue]

It seems to me that maybe from the start A@E were not designed to live forever. But if they had not sinned they may have been granted access to the tree of life so they could keep living.

From what I understand, they were designed to live forever, but there was a provision to that circumstance. And yes, it is true that the almighty God kept them away from the tree of life. After they sinned.

 

[YoursTrue]

Who are you asking the question to? I don't believe in reincarnation, nor does the person in the video but that didn't stop him from labelling babies "enemies of God".

In my opinion.

Allow me to suggest to you that under the Law given to the Jews by Moses, parents were to teach their children how to worship, to obey the Law. Otherwise, as the song went, "Anything Goes..."

 

[YoursTrue]

That video and the claim that babies are the enemies of God is utterly ridiculous.

I've seen religious people claim that if babies die they automatically go to Heaven because they are innocent.

Now this guy seems to be suggesting that they will go to hell because they are the enemies of God.

Well, there it is. If you ever doubted that religion is nothing more than an excuse to justify believing whatever you want to believe, here is irrefutable proof. Decide what you want to believe, then you can interpret religion in any way you want in order to justify it!

Anyway, you're an atheist so would you say you make your own rules, right?

 

[Tiberius]

Anyway, you're an atheist so would you say you make your own rules, right?

yes, but you do know that I am capable of entertaining a hypothetical, right?

 

[danieldemol]

Allow me to suggest to you that under the Law given to the Jews by Moses, parents were to teach their children how to worship, to obey the Law. Otherwise, as the song went, "Anything Goes..."

I'm not familiar with that song but it sounds like a product of ignorance.

In my opinion.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm not familiar with that song but it sounds like a product of ignorance.

In my opinion.

Yes, well so it goes with many untrue faith beliefs. And why do you think it is written for parents to teach their children God's ways? Any idea?

 

[YoursTrue]

yes, but you do know that I am capable of entertaining a hypothetical, right?

But that wasn't the question, therefore -- as an atheist, how do you set guidelines, boundaries, or morality?

 

[danieldemol]

Yes, well so it goes with many untrue faith beliefs. And why do you think it is written for parents to teach their children God's ways? Any idea?

To indoctrinate them before they have the chance to think critically.

In my opinion.

 

[John53]

But that wasn't the question, therefore -- as an atheist, how do you set guidelines, boundaries, or morality?

Simple, I read the old testament, that taught me how to treat my slaves and which children to kill.

 

[David Davidovich]

In the above video Stephen Lett (Governing Body member of the Jehovah's Witnesses) claims babies are, "enemies of God".

He immediately clarifies that he loves babies, but it is worth a good laugh seeing the theological clumsiness of one of 8 leaders of approx. 8.7 million people.

Which brings us to the question, are babies enemies of God in your faith tradition?

In my opinion

Thanks for posting this, danieldemolv, because I haven't seen this one, even though I did post a similar one in another thread.

Also, I didn't know about the other comments that Stephen Lett has made about children. However, the questions that comes to my mind are: In the paradise earth that Jehovah's Witnesses believe in where humans will progress to human perfect over a thousand-year period, is Stephen Lett implying that one day babies and children will not be selfish, or grab things and yell "mine, mine, mine!" or that toddlers one day will not grab things and hold them tightly? Or that one day babies and children will innately know the right things to eat based on its nutrional value and will know to avoid eating too much candy, ice cream, and other sweets? Also, I wonder if during their paradise earth, will their children no longer spend a vast amount of time playing and having fun and games? And will Jehovah's Witnesses' perfect future children no long have short attention spans and will no longer be easily distracted? Also, I wonder if Jehovah's Witnesses future babies and children will no longer be high maintenance and will no longer need a lot of attention.

Because apparently, that is what this upper echelon leader of Jehovah's Witnesses believes, and therefore, that is apparently what their rank-and-file members believe and what they look forward to with their babies and children one day.

 

[David Davidovich]

His words maybe quite offensive sounding, but what he says has been misrepresented as clickbait in my personal opinion. I don't think it's justice. He was obviously referring to the original sin. This guy who comments in the video obviously knows that.

But thanks for sharing. Good to know.

But it goes deeper than that, firedragon. See my above post. Also, even if what you're saying is true, firedragon, then what's the point in bringing this out and giving this teaching to the rank and file members? Because how does saying that benefit them?

 

[David Davidovich]

He is using it as a preaching technique to try and get people to understand this is very important. It's a fishing technique. But the video is clickbait in my personal opinion.



People may not like the language.

But for curiosities sake, according to you, is that deduction wrong logically? How so?

But what's the point in making such a deduction? What is its purpose and what are the end results and/or benefits of such a deduction?

 

[David Davidovich]

We are born sinners... that's a basic belief in Christianity.
But many traditions believe there's an age of innocence when a child isn't yet capable of understanding thier sinful nature, so they aren't responsible for repenting.
I really think the guy in the video is just referring to the sinful nature and is taken out of context.
But no, I don't believe babies are capable of being enemies of God in a literal sense. Jesus seems to indicate the same when he tells us to become like children, that is, to return to a state of innocence.

How could it have been taken out of context when the video showed the context? And much more than the video that I posted.

 

[firedragon]

But it goes deeper than that, firedragon. See my above post. Also, even if what you're saying is true, firedragon, then what's the point in bringing this out and giving this teaching to the rank and file members? Because how does saying that benefit them?

I hate the preaching.

 

[firedragon]

But what's the point in making such a deduction? What is its purpose and what are the end results and/or benefits of such a deduction?

The purpose is to preach original sin and catch fish.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In the above video Stephen Lett (Governing Body member of the Jehovah's Witnesses) claims babies are, "enemies of God".

He immediately clarifies that he loves babies, but it is worth a good laugh seeing the theological clumsiness of one of 8 leaders of approx. 8.7 million people.

Which brings us to the question, are babies enemies of God in your faith tradition?

In my opinion

Yes! As a confirmed bachelor babies are definitely the enemies of God.

 

[Tiberius]

But that wasn't the question, therefore -- as an atheist, how do you set guidelines, boundaries, or morality?

I use my own subjective opinions to develop my own sense of moral judgement. Mostly based around the idea of, "If I was on the receiving end of this, how would I feel?" Hence I don't steal from people, because I wouldn't like it if someone stole from me.

Now, let me ask you a question, as a Christian, where do you get your guidelines, boundaries, and morality from?