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Anthropomorphic God and Oneness
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To a certain extent, I'd say that "anthropomorphic god" is a redundant expression.
Not that every god is a human-like figure with two arms, two legs, a head, and a face with a long white beard, but IMO the whole point of a god is to put a relatable face on nature, either some aspect of it (i.e. polytheistic concepts) or nature as a whole (i.e. monotheistic concepts).
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No.
syo
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Everything is united under the human umbrella.
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what is for you dualist?
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This definitions says "2 independent and absolute elements".
This means one is not greater than the other while both are absolute.
"anthropomorphic god" belongs to ancient religions and beliefs.
Ancient religions and beliefs are mostly polytheistic.
Therefore unless religion in question deals with only 2 deities where both are absolute, dualist cannot be one or have oneness.
Further to be "whole" is contradictory to dualism since in dualism whole implies that 2 elements are not independent but rather one.
oneness doesn't use the term both, dual, or implies anything in contrast. whole is singular, it doesn't imply plurality. atonement inplies one and not two or more.
being dualistic doesn't have anything to do exclusively with two deities. it's the idea of two objects, or something divided in two. so a deity and an idol could be two distinct things
can the abrahamic god be distinctly separate from the observer, believer and be ONE?
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Right, therefore incompatible with dualism.
There are several areas about dualism, that's why I asked you what does dualism means to you?
Dualism - Wikipedia
Abrahamic God is one and can't be divided regardless of observer or believer or any other subject.
the division is between the god and the distinctly separate worshipper. so how can they be one? atonement?
matthew 6:24
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Why do you think that atonement would make you one with God?
Are you equating man with God?
you didn't answer my question.
at-one-ment literally means to be one with
1590s, "be in harmony, agree, be in accordance," from adverbial phrase atonen (c. 1300) "in accord," literally "at one," a contraction of at and one. It retains the older pronunciation of one. Meaning "make up (for errors or deficiencies)" is from 1660s; that of "make reparations" is from 1680s.
It depends upon how strictly they hold that point of view.
Yes. While a theistic perspective, that God is "other" to oneself and creation is dualistic by definition "this and not that", a nondualist can recognize that theism is simply a dualistic device for the mind, while spiritually holding that there is no separation.
I am speaking of a true nondualism, and not monism which denies duality at all, and is itself a form of subtle-dualism, in that it too teaches "this and not that". "Only brahman is real, and the rest is illusion", is a subtle dualism. "The world is illusion. Brahman alone is real. Brahman is the world", embraces oneness and multiplicity and is thus a true nondualism. It is paradoxical in nature. Monism is not.
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To be one with God in this sense means to be reconciled with God, spiritually pure, rather than you forming a new whole with God.
and self is a spirit. one isn't a human having a spiritual, mental experience. one is a spirit, a consciousness, mental being having an earthly experience. that doesn't imply a distinct separation between self and god. even if the believer wants to pretend god is otherwise than self. god can't be infinite/eternal and distinct or in contrast to otherness.
it is written besides me there is no other. your ego is blinding you to the obvious. your form is temporal. your spirit, your consciousness isn't. it's eternal
Not necessarily.
Yup. It's wholely possible for a dualist to have a monistic experience, and remain a dualist no less.
The meaning of words is not limited to their etymology.
From the mystical perspective, this "Oneness" is not the merging of two into one, but rather the recognition that no separation exists. Take for instance this quote from the Christian mystic Meister Eckhart,
"The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God's eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love"
In other words, there is no edge where "I" end, and God begins. It is all one eye, one seeing, one knowing, and one love, or another way to put it, one "being".