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No you don't understand salvation.
You can't get to God by worshiping false God's
God isn't an idea. He is IAM. He is Yeshua.
But what of those who do accept those things and believe in God? Clearly, they must be responding to the Spirit within them. Yet, according to you, they don't have the Spirit until after they believe. You're not getting this are you? If they didn't have the Spirit, then they wouldn't understanding and respond, would they?
But then there is the problem that whereas at one time in a person's life they may not have responded, later on they may. Since clearly they couldn't respond without the Spirit (which I've established here), and at another time earlier they didn't, which is a more reasonable understanding? That they didn't have it, then was given it later on in order to believe? Or that they've have it all along, but simply were not listening to it? And if the latter, which is more reasonable to believe, then to say they were "without the Spirit", is really just a way of saying they weren't receptive to its voice in themselves.
They may not realize his Grace, but that doesn't mean God is withholding it from them. It means they aren't accessing it due to not seeing it. Point is, they are never literally separate from God in the sense that God separates himself from them. But they experience it as such simply due to their own ignorance. But it's not the reality of it.
Sometimes you can't get to God by worshiping the right one either.
So that really doesn't matter, does it?Sure, but those who follow Love will. This has nothing to do with have the right ideas about God. No human being actually does, you know? We can't? Our little brains can't contain that sort of knowledge. So you think your idea is the best, and therefore the only right believe that gets you into heaven? Nonsense, of course.
The fool says in his heart they have God figured out, and now can tell everyone the right way to get into heaven.
But if they are doing good, then it is the right God apparently so.
Yes, teaching you have to have the right idea about God, and that it's not by their fruits you shall know them but by their ideas about God, that is another Gospel indeed.
And this doesn't not support your ideas. You are saying that Christians who accept Jesus, but believe in reincarnation are not saved. Because it is by right beliefs you shall know them, thumbing your nose at what Jesus said about knowing them by their fruits.
I asked this question. You didn't answer. I'd like a direct answer to this. Yes or no.
So, according to your theology, no one is ever lost....I wonder why Jesus had to sacrifice himself then?
I guess Paul and all the apostles were fools then.The fool says in his heart they have God figured out, and now can tell everyone the right way to get into heaven.
No one can do good until they have God. They might do what looks good to man but not to God.But if they are doing good, then it is the right God apparently so.
It doesn't support your idea that people don't have to accept Jesus, just somehow be loving on their own... which is impossible according to scripture. You just run in circles.
It's not an idea.. it's a truth you have to accept. Calling it an idea reduces it to just one idea in billions.
Again putting words in my mouth. Of course people are lost until they realize God, in whatever way that manifests for them, in however long that takes for them (possibly lifetimes, since this thread is about reincarnation
). That's just the nature of being human, seeing ourselves as separate from the world or the Source, from others, and from ourselves. "Lost" is the normal human condition. Why Jesus sacrificed himself, was to show us the Way which releases us from that condition of isolation and separation from the Divine.Oh good. You've found some verses then from the apostles that shows that they taught the ideas or beliefs you have about God is what you need to have right in order for God to let you into heaven? Can you share them?
Isn't coming to God good? So in order for them to come to God, God must have been in them drawing them to himself, no?
People don't have to accept theological ideas about God. I've already said that if they follow the Way of Love, they are following Jesus, even if they know him by another name, in another religion, or no religion at all. So long as they do the will of the Father, in however they understand what that is in their thinking, they are children of God.
The truth you have to accept is seeing God in the world, in whatever form that takes for the person. Not the truth of a theological idea. This is the difference between beliefs as ideas of the head, and faith which is a spiritual response of the heart. Don't confuse faith and religious beliefs as one and the same. They are not.
Yes, and that is my very point. People can conceive of God in billions of different ways, so it is not possible to claim that you have to have the right belief or idea in order to be saved. It's can't about beliefs as ideas about God because those are as plentiful as there are people, be they believers in God or not.
God's will is becoming like Jesus which is impossible without knowing Jesus.
The centurion wasn't a pagan once he believed in Jesus. And what Jesus said here isn't about those of a religion per say but those who were Jewish but not true believers.Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith." Wow. A non-Jew, a worshipper of false gods, somehow was able to see God in Jesus, and Jesus recognized his faith as greater than all of those of his own religion. Wow. Just wow. What say you to this?
Of course you have to believe in specific " ideas" about God. You can't believe on someone if you don't know who they are. You can't have a relationship with someone who doesn't exist. So you have to believe in the real Jesus not one you invented in your mind.
Yes, according to scripture. What I said, that you say is not in scripture, is "The truth you have to accept is seeing God in the world, in whatever form that takes for the person."
You just made this up, by ignoring scripture.
God will is to Love. Those that love are following God's will. This is what Jesus taught. And those who Love, are "knowing Jesus". It doesn't matter how they conceive of God. It matters how they Love, don't you know? God is Love, according to scripture. You make up you own religion by saying "God is theology".
You just quoted a verse that condemns people for not believing! Thanks for agreeing with me.Yes, according to scripture. What I said, that you say is not in scripture, is "The truth you have to accept is seeing God in the world, in whatever form that takes for the person."
Scripture says, "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
Seeing God in the world, is exactly what this says. But that is just one verse of countless others. "Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear? And don’t you remember?" It's all about seeing God in the world, don't you know?
You just made this up, by ignoring scripture.